When shall we three meet again? The not quite NT, not quite weightloss thread ......

[moosemama]

We were full up ladies, so we finally have our very own weightloss-ish thread!

More work on getting house ready for selling today. Dh has just disappeared with two old armchairs and a double mattress looking like the Beverly hillbillies. Tis the last of the furniture we had in our first one bed flat! Three kids and a whole heap of living later, it was time for it to go. They've just been taking up space. Ds1 was v sad about one armchair. For the last month it has been plonked right in the middle of his bedroom, such that he had to move it to use his desk, move it again to get in the wardrobe, and move it again to get into bed. practical not. But he did like to climb over it and occasionally sit in it, so we have compromised and said if we do end up moving, we will get him a smaller one for his bedroom.

Just one glass of vino last night. no exercise today except for the moving stuff about, as neck is tight again today (slept funny and irritated it a bit more).

Dh and I are amusing ourselves by quoting 'my house is a squash and a squeeze'. The most recent addition included a dh 'take in your armchair'.

We will make space and turn this house into a veritable oasis of peace and tranquility, such that any viewer will be throwing cash. Dh thinks we might need to lose a couple of kids and the dogs for this actually to be a reality.

Still no sign of AF, so am putting off weighing. As soon as I have weighed though, I will be using my shiny tape measure to note down my vitals. Jeans are loose, but seem to be getting looser around butt and thighs and not waist, which is vair annoying... How to target? Any ideas?

Now that we are Not Skint I am going to do the body blitz properly, and am hoping that will start the waist again... It seemed to work when I was almost doing it earlier, but then I moved into emptying the freezer and finding out what was in the back of the cupboard, so veg shopping became a luxury purchase . It looks like the exercise is having an effect, but mainly on my lower body...all good, but need more!

How's your weekend going, ladies?

Madwoman - you could do what we did for viewings and lock the dogs and a couple of kids in the car while they go round the house.

It was core stuff that made the big difference to my waist. Various crunches, back exercises like supermans and various planks - particularly plank twists, as well as standing pikes and crunches. I found Jillian Michaels great for waist whitling. I went from a 34" waist to just a tad over 29" in a couple of months and haven't gone back up all that much. Think I am just under 30" at the moment.

Hula hooping is supposed to be excellent for trimming the waist. They were doing hooping workshops at the festival last weekend and we are off to pick up a hoop for dd tomorrow as she was mesmerised by it but they had sold out of hoops in her size.

My weekend, well ... Dh was out at a gig last night and my Mum came round with and chocolates, so I have not done very well at all. BUT we have both decided we are both going to start a detox on Monday with a view to really knuckling down in June and getting back on track. Going to start building up my exercise again as of Monday and well. Am feeling bloated and wobbly and daren't weigh myself and I seriously don't want to feel like that for the summer.

I do find it strange that even though I am three stone lighter than I was this time last year I still feel too fat to wear summer clothes. I think it's because I haven't been working out though, so feel flabby rather than toned. Now I know what it feels/looks like to be fit and muscular I hate it when I can't/don't work out. I was happy with my shape and tone back for the fancy dress party at the beginning of March - so I am trying to tell myself that if I could feel that way only two months ago, I should be able to get that back with a bit of intensive work. Trouble is it's the hard work that keeps putting me off. I hate having to restart at the beginning every time. It's constantly two steps forward, three steps back.

Lol at wine and Choc!

You are probably right about the waist... Thinking about it, I've been doing less core stuff because of my shoulder/ elbow thing, and it was coming off my waist before... Hmm...

Will deffo be moving the dogs out for viewings. They are way too over friendly to let anyone look round in peace, and take up so much room!!

Three stone, moose! You have done so well that a night of wine and Choc isn't going to reverse it

You might have hinted at something about having a new job.

Deal.

Going to do a full on proper detox for at least a week, so Monday to Monday, but may go for ten days if I haven't gone through the bleugh side effects and out the other side of them by then.

Sounds like a plan.

Hello, feeling hot tired and fat today (put on a 1lb this week, as have been too tired to exercise). On the plus side, 1.5 stone lost since 1st Jan, and have had some nice comments at work about the weight loss. The plus side of never having been fit and toned is that I have always had a bit of a belly, even in my 9 stone days, so have no great expectations of myself in clingy clothing

I really need to get my waist under 30 inches as well, because of diabetes risk. Last time it was measured it was sufficiently over 30 for practice nurse assistant to suck in teeth etc! Need to crack out the exercise dvds again, as my walking/exercise biking doesn't do much for the core, I need to resist the temptation to just do lightish cardio...

Ah, we are in the same boat, tlp.

Still no sign of AF, but will measure waist today anyway. Might be an easy win for week 1 of measuring!

You've done so well! A stone and a half! yay! Not surprised that people are commenting, you must be dead chuffed! I dust off Davina when I'm feeling particularly keen, but have been trying to get out and about with other people for motivation. I think Davina might be more successful overall though!!

I sort of feel a fraud, as I'm the same weight as I was last year, just put on a load of weight after a stressful time at work last summer, which I have started losing in the New Year, so I don't feel like I have achieved much overall. I have Rosemary for lazy days, and Davina for motivated days.

Ok, day 1 of being serious about my weight and fitness again.

I have weighed in - and cried - but I deserve every single pound, so no point in dwelling on it. Need to get seriously stuck into sorting myself out now.

Monday 28 May : 168lbs (11 stone 8! )

We took the boys for hand made ice cream yesterday and I had a two scoop cone, then we had a BBQ for tea and I ate too many burgers (dh cooked far too many and I hate waste) as well as coleslaw and potato salad. So, I'm hoping at least a few pounds of that weight will be water, especially as my period is due any day.

I really want to hit my initial target weight of 10 stone 4 for our wedding anniversary on 25 July, but that's not looking doable anymore and I am really cross with myself for it.

Determined not to dwell though.

Not had breakfast yet, just a glass of water and a detox tea. Off to make apple cinnamon porridge now, then it's just a light salad for lunch and tea today.

sympathies, the baseline weigh in is somewhat of a necessary evil, Moose, but think of it as the rock bottom, the only way is up - or should that be down from here . 1 stone 4 in two months isn't absolutely unfeasible, but if you settle for 1/2 that as your goal, so just losing a pound a week, then anything more will be a bonus. Not sure how quickly you lose weight - I have to do VAST amounts of exercise to lose more than one pound per week, but I think I have wrecked by metabolism by yoyo dieting and going into insulin resistance.

I lost lots very quickly this time last year TLP, but it's not so easy now I weigh less. I tend not to lose weight when I'm exercising hard, so plateau when I'm shredding, which is incredibly frustrating, but then again I tend to see lots of inch loss and my clothes fit better, which is better for my confidence.

I was hoping to get back into exercising today, but I think I was being ambitious given the inevitable detox side effects and the fact that I have already been struggling with energy etc just recently. I did manage a walk in the park with dd and my Mum, so not completely sedentary, but not exactly what you'd call exercise either.

I feel really rough this evening, major headache and brain fog and quite shaky, so either this detox is long overdue or I'm coming down with something - fear it's probably the former.

TMI I know, but I have been weeing for England all day today, so hoping some of that water weight will shift at least.

fingers crossed it's the detox making you feel rough, sounds like you have ate v lightly today after a rather ahem filling weekend.

Thanks TLP.

I think it is the detox. Sum total of today's food is apple cinammon porridge (made with water) for breakfast, salad with cheese and cashews for protein for lunch and home made pasta sauce without the pasta for tea. I did allow myself one cup of decaff coffee this afternoon as there is a small amount of caffeine in it and I thought it might lift the headache, but it didn't help. Other than that just lots of water and a couple of Pukka detox teas.

That little lot only adds up to about 850 calories according to MFP, so it's no wonder my body's gone into shock. Shame I feel too rough to eat anything else though, as I have just under 400 kcals left today.

I'd be in bed now if it wasn't so flipping hot in our bedroom. It heats up like a brick oven in there when it's hot outside.

do you normally have a lot of caffeinated coffee, you can get withdrawal headaches just from cutting back suddenly on the coffee IME. you're not selling this detox idea to me! it's bad enough giving up cake and fatty food, no way I'm giving up coffee or diet coke!!!

Caffeine withdrawal kills me, and I'm only a tea drinker, rarely do coffee. You sound determined, if a little rough, moose. you know you ought to eat a something even if you don't feel like it though... (and I know it's too late and you are abed!)

I'm feeling a little odd as well, but haven't got time to sit and ponder today! This week is going to be crazy.

Ds had psych this morning. Will update later as got to get dd1 to dance!!!

I only drink decaff, but have an enormous latte mug, so each mugful is actually 2 normal cups. Each standard cup of decaff has about 4mg caffeine, so every time I have a mugful I get 8mg. I had no idea I was ingesting so much caffeine until dh read the label last week.

I gave up, took two co-codamol and went to bed last night. Then had the night from hell. Ridiculously hot - blooming 26.5 in our bedroom. First the dog woke us because she'd had an accident on the bathroom floor, then ds1 woke up screaming, then he needed the toilet, then dd woke up - it felt like a very long night with very little sleep.

Still have the bad head this morning, but not as bad. Realised in the night that it could be hormonal as well, as I've been dreadful in the run up to my period the last few months and have had horrible hormonal headaches every time. Probably not the best week to choose to detox, but I'm going to stick with it.

More cheerfully, I realised I put the wrong weight in pounds down on here yesterday - it was actually 162.2 lbs and I weighed in at 159 lbs this morning, so all the weeing I did yesterday was worth it.

I have a crazy week as well this week Madwoman. Am meeting myself coming back from today onwards. Typical when I am feeling so rough.

Hope psych appointment went ok.

Psych appt was quite useful, I think. Started as joint appt with me as well, as I was quite surprised that Ds was a not noncommittal about how everything was going (I had expected him to say it was all going ok-ish, tbh.) so I think it is giving him an outlet for expressing the anxiety stuff - he's quite good at covering his tracks otherwise. Psych wants him to see someone more frequently, but her diary is too full to cope, so asked him if he would be prepared to see one of her colleagues to really work hard on the continence stuff for the near future. She will still see him every two weeks, but she can't see him any more often due to diary overflow. So I'm waiting for the colleague to call to schedule the frequent appts and get this thing started properly. They are seeing it as an Eco-project. Which kinda makes me laugh. They apparently spent some time discussing the fish, and the use of the washing machine. I did laugh though, as apparently it hadn't occurred to her to add in the ten years of land filled pull-ups. Maybe too much?

Anyway, hopeful, I think.

I am seeing less and less difference on these meds though. I was sceptical about school's 'amazing cure' anyway, but he is still doing exactly the same stuff - losing paperwork, forgetting things, just not being 'there' really. I had an email from school saying 'don't forget to return your permission slips' but I haven't received anything from school since Easter. There should have been info on all sorts. I'm a bit pissed that the class teacher didn't accept the learning support teacher's suggestion that she worked on organisation skills with him. I might email her. Only 4 weeks left of term, so even I if piss her off then it's not all lost.

So, I don't know. Does he need an increase in dosage? Not uncommon. But I'm still not convinced they are actually doing anything. Urgh.

Right, boot camp. Must go and get myself together. Soooooo creaky after being unable to move with my back last week - everything is crunching when I move, so goodness only knows what it will be like! I did speak to her on thurs though, and she said I can just stay on the bike and get some low level stuff in to keep up the exercise if everything else is too much at the mo... Might take her up on that!

Moose, your night sounds evil. Dh set his alarm for 4.30 to go catch his flight (he's away the rest of the week, which always fills me with dread) so I've been awake on and off, but no screaming children or upset dogs! And I know that today is madness until 3.30, but after that only one dance lesson and then an evening to myself with an early night. It all starts again tomorrow, but this evening should be ok-ish!

Right, boot camp.

Moose, sorry about the night from hell, you did make me giggle tho with your line about all the weeing being worth it, glad you weigh about ten pound less than you thought yesterday!

Madwoman - have a sneaking suspicion my boy will be where your boy is in a few years time re:constipation issues and organisation skills! re:meds - could you not give him them for a week, send him to school, and see if they notice any difference? Hope you have a reasonably drama free week with your DH being away...

Over the last few months, there have been days when he hasn't taken them... And school haven't batted an eyelid. It was one of the things that made me suspicious at the beginning tbh. They were all 'oh it's a miracle' and I was going 'eh? But we haven't got our act together in the morning routine yet, and sometimes we forget to give them to him. How does that work?'

We will try it ourselves over the school hols I think. I'm not sure I entirely follow the thought process of school at the mo...

placebo effect?

at ten pounds less. Maybe I should miss-weigh myself more often, just so I can see the pounds drop off the next day!

Just back from a very hectic open evening at the boys' school. I am really pleased with how much progress ds1 has made this year. This time last year I came home and cried after seeing the state his books were in and the fact that there was hardly anything in any of them anyway. This year he has written pages and pages, really engaged in the learning and was excitedly showing me bits of his work that were on display. Last year he had one copied poem up alongside his classmates versions and it was blatantly obvious from that the he had SENs.

Ds2 has also done really well and was so proud of some particular pieces of work.

The boys took dd to visit the nursery she'll be in come September and she loved it. Also found out that the mum of the little girl we used to go round for coffee with when dd was a toddler and who also happens to be mum to one of ds2's friends is going to be dd's nursery teacher. I am over the moon with that, she is such a genuinely lovely person and a really dedicated teacher.

Dh is out tonight, so all is peaceful now I have the kids in bed. Hardly eaten today (just a bowl of porridge for breakfast and a banana at lunchtime) because of what turned out to be a godawful migraine. I only ate the banana so I could take some painkillers without doing it on an empty stomach. Took two cocodamol and crawled into bed when dh came home for lunch and he brought dd up for her nap just before he went back, so got two hours rest/sleep-ish. Fortunately, it was enough, added to some of those strong ibuprofen, to get me through the open evening. I can feel it coming back now though.

Madwoman, it sounds good that he is not glossing over things with the psych, I worry about that with ds1 and his inclusion worker, as he likes their sessions to be nice and fun, so often doesn't tell her about worries in case it spoils their time together. Seeing someone more frequently sounds like a plan as well. I never understand why they seem to think things can ever improve significantly with widely spaced appointments, as you spend the first half of every session having to settle back in an trust all over again.

The eco angle on the continence issues is quite clever isn't it. Perhaps she felt the pull-ups angle might make him feel guilty? More likely that she just hadn't thought of it though.

for you about the organisational stuff. Why on earth can't she see that organisational support isn't a luxury, it's a necessity and they can't learn the skills unless someone teaches them.

I would be very suspicious about the meds as well, given that he hasn't taken them every day, but the school say he is a changed child.

Hope next year's teacher is better.

How are you getting on TLP?

I just think they are deluded, tlp.... how weird would it be to be able to get rid of sn children's issues just by telling school they were now medicated for them?

I agree about the psych stuff, moose. She seems very switched on. He was of course able to deflect the school counsellor so well over the last two years that it is refreshing to see that he has moved on a bit, and obviously is engaging this time, rather than doing the smoke and mirrors thing...

The organisational stuff stinks tbh. CT veers so wildly from being absolutely on target with recognising stuff, to coming up with solutions that are feck all use to anyone it's exactly the same with the organisation. She just point blank refused when the learning support woman suggested that he could get some organisational tips through ls,and said 'he's got to learn it himself'. Er, no, we'll just all end up carrying the can for him for.e.ver. Well, at least until y6....

Yuk on the migraine. But yay on the school visit!

Boot camp was ok, but I could tell I'd not been. Legs v wobbly and quite knackered! Have had two afternoon session training at new job though, and start properly on Sunday, so was busy enough not to fuss about it. Def need something to eat and drink again now though, or ti'll be me back in bed with migraine. Must plan my meals for the rest of the week though.... With dh away I feel I can do this properly without him fussing!

Hmm, weight all over the place for a few days. No increase, but up to 3 or 4 lbs down and then back up again... Boot camp was haaaaaaaaard, too.

How's your detox going, moose? This week has been crazy!

sorry not been around much this week, had a stressful time at work. I've managed to lose 1lb despite not exercising as much as usual, so that's going quite well. I've been inspired by the not starving yourself thread to experiment with adding an extra 100 cals on per day, see if that makes a difference or not.

sorry school teacher is so set in ways - what a head desk situation - the whole bloody problem is he isn't gaining these organisation skills by osmosis, and needs help with them!