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WEIGHT WATCHERS PRO POINTS - OUR THREADS ARE EXPANDING BUT OUR WAISTS ARE NOT

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Blondeshavemorefun · 12/04/2011 17:17

Welcome one and all to our 6th thread

If you're just starting out or you've been following WW for a while and you're looking for support you've come to the right place!

There are lots of regulars who are well on their weigh (get it! ) Grin and others who have just joined us - we're a mixed bag, all shapes and sizes and all with different goals to achieve but we're all striving for the same thing. We're all here to will one another on with advice, support and lots of cheering! :)

Androbbob is our resident stat checker and keeps us motivated by totting up the total weight loss each week.

So far we have lost an amazing 147 lbs since jan 2011 Shock

We're quite fast moving at times so just dive in - pour yourself a Wine or Brew and make yourself at home :)

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working9while5 · 07/05/2011 00:25

Hmc, how are butcher's sausages and peanut butter white carbs? Confused I only eat wholegrain bread (as we all do in this house, baby included!).

In terms of the broader discussion about permanent lifestyle changes, I personally don't agree at all that you need to do skimmed milk permanently to maintain weight loss. I think what each person needs to do is very unique and individual to them, depending on their own histories with weight gain/loss.

This is something I have learned over many years. I first had to lose weight way back in 1999 when I lost about 4 stone. I did this by doing old ww and being extremely religious about it, high exercise/very rigid dieting. Overtime, I lost the rigidity (because it's very, very hard to maintain and live any sort of normal and non-obsessive life) but I didn't regain very much weight at all. About a half stone. Those habits had become ingrained.

Before my wedding in 2007, though, I decided I wanted to drop more weight (as many brides do). About a stone. This time I didn't do any weightwatchers at all and didn't really change my diet apart from portion control and walking 15K steps a day. It worked and it, too, stayed off... until, sadly, I had a very serious asthma attack and was hospitalised for the bones of three weeks and put on serious doses of steroids for some time. This coincided with a lot of other stuff (estrangement from my father, work issues) and for the first time in all those years, I went back up to a weight outside my healthy weight range (12st 10, BMI 26.3) And then I got pregnant six months later (while dieting/ttcing) and added another nearly 3 stone into the mix!

It is now 12 years since my first diet. In that time, I've learned that I can stay at a BMI of roughly 23-24 (12-14) without having to take extreme measures but that going to a BMI of 21-22 (size 10-12) requires serious, persistent and extreme ongoing effort to the point it can take over my life. When all is said and done, I am only 10lbs heavier now than the day I graduated from university at 22. I have been lighter since then, but my "set point" is around that 23-24 BMI mark and as I get older/go through these baby making years, I am easing up on the desire to keep pushing for something that just doesn't happen without a lot of self-loathing etc.

Really, I have maintained pretty well. I have found that what type of milk/yogurt/cheese et I have makes sod all difference as I don't drink a lot of it and that eating low fat foods with artificial sweeteners in is a recipe for disaster for me becuase it makes me crave sugary things etc. I have found that a diet that is 1200cals or so doesn't work as well for me as one which is 1500-1600 over much longer periods of time. I had given up on regimented programmes like weightwatchers but I as losing weight while breastfeeding, I wanted something medically "okay" and found it actually worked fairly well with the extra points.

I think when you are prone to putting on weight, working out your own individual triggers is more important than all the science (and pseudoscience) in the world about GI/carbs/proteins etc. There are also the emotional aspects. I have also learned - and this is the crucial one for me - not to believe that my life will change radically whether I am a size 10 or 16 or even that I look that different and I have learned not to put my life on hold.

I know this is not always so easy to say or believe when you have a very sizeable amount of weight to lose but, coming from a morbidly obese family, I had serious image problems when it came to weight. Dressing in tents when I was only barely (medically) overweight and obsessing about not being tiny, refusing dinner invitations or sitting there eyeing up others' food while eating something I hated. I am also wary of the addictive nature of weight loss, the "reincarnation" feeling you get when you lose a stone or two and how the scales dictates your mood a a result.

For me, it has to be about moderation and I find that 36 points a week feels like moderation and 29 feels like deprivation.

As a therapist, we work in groups with people to help them find a "toolbox" of strategies that work for them in the long term. That's how I see all this weightloss stuff now. Each time you go through the cycle you can learn one or two new habits to take forward and also work out more clearly what you are and are not willing to do for a thinner body.

Sorry, that was epic Grin.

working9while5 · 07/05/2011 00:31

Oh, and I suppose underlying all of this is that I've decided that I'm not in it for permanent weightloss/a neverchanging permanent figure on the scales. I know I will go up and down 7-10lbs here and there but that, for me, is good enough as "maintaining". I know for others it would be horrifying but I find that way I can have my cake and eat it iyswim? I think I've learned (more or less, babyweight aside) how to reign in the binge-eating but I can't quite fathom a life without the odd blow out! I've decided just to sod all the guilt and self-loathing about it and just have in my head a range that means "right, now, you need to go back to being good for the next few months"!

Are many of you between babies, so to speak? I think this has made the difference to me. I know I am going to be getting pg again so it seems a bit preposterous to think of it in terms of permanence when I know I'll be putting on 2-3 stone again one way or the other!

CareyFakes · 07/05/2011 07:58

I get where you're coming from Working, I battled with self-loathing from the age of 13 to 27 (when I had DD) and the weight I carry now is a consequence of that, I now want to reflect what's in my head to the outside world and being obese isn't what is in my head.

My lifestyle has totally changed, I make much better informed choices, I shop differently, I eat differently, I think differently. I don't feel the guilt that I had always associated with 'bad foods', moderation was a skill I needed to learn.

I still have some way to go, but by the time I get there, I'll be happy to fluctuate between 5-7lbs of goal weight, and won't panic or get upset if I gain a little because I know now I can lose it.

Also, I have a coffee date on Tuesday, with a man Shock, my confidence is growing, my self worth is growing, and that is the true hero of my continuing weight loss!

NoWayNoHow · 07/05/2011 08:08

working I totally agree with you - on one of our previous threads I asked why WW didn't attempt to address some of the reasons we overeat (depression, boredom, etc), but I guess that's not their remit.

My mother watched what I ate from when I was 11 years old. When I was in my last year of school, I was a size 8, and she had me on a high protein diet. Confused. Don't get me wrong, my mother loves me and we have a great relationship, but I don't think she'll ever know the impact she had on me and the way I view food. Everything is forbidden, and everything has guilt attached to it.

The way that you eat on the WW plan has taught me (a) how to look at all food positively and make informed decisions on what impact they will have on my body, and (b) how to gravitate towards foods that leave me feeling full and therefore less obsessive about eating. I still have my moments, but I feel more in control of maintaining a healthy weight for a protracted amount of time, and that in itself relieves some of the stress around eating that impacts negatively on me.

On a lighter note... CareyFakes ! Hark at you and the coffee date!! Sooo... What's he like? Where did you meet him? Do you LUUUUUURVE him??

Wink
debs39 · 07/05/2011 08:51

working being between babies I was trying to make sure I had a bit to play with so was getting a bit obsessive about getting to goal before pg again....ie 4 classes in one day at the gym...naughty naughty naughty, I know : (

Bit late now though as did a test yesterday and hopefully bubs number 2 will be along just after New Year.....yeehaaa!!! ( have had 3 mcs since DC1 though so not getting my hopes up too much.....)

At least I now have licence to eat cake....

......and chips....

.......just a shame I can't have a vodka or 2 !!

NoWayNoHow · 07/05/2011 08:54

debs that's fantastic news! So sorry to hear about your previous MCs - I'm crossing all fingers and toes and everything I can find that is crossable for this one!

Now you REALLY have to eat all your 29 and then some! Wink

debs39 · 07/05/2011 08:56

PS carey.....I would be peeing my pants with nerves if I had to do dating again!!! We want all the details....starting with, what are you going to wear??? ( are rather, what are you going to buy???...any excuse for clothes shopping, eh, ha ha!!! )

debs39 · 07/05/2011 09:07

nwnh am actually keeping pregnancy in MN land ( DH knows of course ) as so hard to get excited when last 3 times it all went wrong...

Must admit I went to bed as stuffed as a stuffed person last night...very strange going over the '29pp only'...and not beating myself over the head with a stick for being 'bad'..

Still started the day with the pp breakfast of all bran and an apple though...but got big plans for the other 50+pp today

Shall keep you updated...

After other mcs though I keep on thinking 'oh, well, here we go again , another 3-4mths of being pregnant and then you go back to being 'non-pregnant' again...

I only see DH once every 12 weeks or so, so am lucky to get 'the right time' so to speak...Has been almost a bi-annual thing the last 2 years that I have a 'being pregnant' phase...can't imagine actually ever getting the end product, so to speak : (

But hey ho, am off to spend Saturday with DC1 and thinking about all the other pps I can have ...yummy!!!! Those ww choc cheesecakes in the freezer are crying out to be defrosted!!

debs39 · 07/05/2011 09:09

nwnh am actually keeping pregnancy in MN land ( DH knows of course ) as so hard to get excited when last 3 times it all went wrong...

Must admit I went to bed as stuffed as a stuffed person last night...very strange going over the '29pp only'...and not beating myself over the head with a stick for being 'bad'..

Still started the day with the pp breakfast of all bran and an apple though...but got big plans for the other 50+pp today

Shall keep you updated...

After other mcs though I keep on thinking 'oh, well, here we go again , another 3-4mths of being pregnant and then you go back to being 'non-pregnant' again...

I only see DH once every 12 weeks or so, so am lucky to get 'the right time' so to speak...Has been almost a bi-annual thing the last 2 years that I have a 'being pregnant' phase...can't imagine actually ever getting the end product, so to speak : (

But hey ho, am off to spend Saturday with DC1 and thinking about all the other pps I can have ...yummy!!!! Those ww choc cheesecakes in the freezer are crying out to be defrosted!!

debs39 · 07/05/2011 09:10

Whoops..sorry for double post..

wizzler · 07/05/2011 09:28

Debs, congratulations.... hope everything works out well for you.
Carey.. well.. what is he like, how did you meet.. do tell all....
Working.. I agree with you and Noway... it would be helpful to understand why we have the attitudes we do to food..

CareyFakes · 07/05/2011 09:55

Congratulations debs39 keep us posted!

Weeeellll we met on an internet dating site (just last night, I work quick). He's a tattooist, and I'm tattoo'd, we used to hang out at the same places but there is 7 years difference between us so he was there before me at these places. He seems really nice, bit of a shitty breakup from his ex over a year ago, but we've all got a story to tell I guess.

Not sure what to wear, going smart casual, he's uber nervous as am I and we've both agreed to not be offended if we say something stupid lol. He's an artist and I'm a reader, so should be interesting. Might wear a maxi skirt, and top with shrug? Pretty smart but casual?

This will be my 2nd date this year, first one was alright, no chemistry though, and to be honest we'd have clashed BIG time in an argument lol

I haven't had a relationship since 2006, DD's father was an 'ex' from years back and we met back up and I fell pregnant, he has never wanted to meet DD but we did walk past him a few weeks back for the first time in 3 years and he looked his daughter in the eye but carried on pushing his new baby, nice chap lol Hope this one is a good'un, I need to restore my faith in men!

vnmum · 07/05/2011 10:09

morning all,
congrats debs, hope everything goes well for you
carey SPILL !!!! Grin

I agree with working and noway about the reasons why we put on weight and all the sweetener stuff. I know i put on weight because i ate too much generally but also too much cake, pizza, choc etc. I also know i eat the crap because i am a comfort and boredom eater so until i can work out those issues i will always run the risk of piling it back on. It seems that when DH goes away for 6 months at a time i used to wander to tescos for a late night muffin/choc binge because i was bored and lonely and comfort eating. That was pre DC so I am hoping when he goes away again i won't be able to fall into that trap again because i won't be able to leave DC at night to go to the shop so that should stop it really. Then i just have to find the time to exercise when i am on my own with the DC (5 and 3 by the way)

with regards to the sweetener stuff, i don't really like it as it does make you crave sweet things because although it doesn't raise your blood sugar, your body releases insulin in preparation for a sugar hit that doesn't arrive, just from the sweet taste in your mouth, then the insulin has nothing to do so causes craving for real sugar. BUT, i do use things with sweetener in as a means to an end and when i am on maintenance points will be able to switch back to non sweetener things because i'll have the extra points to play with. I don't personally like full fat milk but do like full fat creamy yogs,mmm

Littlefish · 07/05/2011 10:56

I have battled with my weight since I was about 17 (that's 23 years ago Sad).

I can't remember if I told you, but my mother was anorexic/bulimic/depressed from when I was 10 years old (now mostly recovered). My associations with food were therefore always skewed. I saw it used as a weapon, a reward, something to be hated and reviled, and then something to be worshipped.

After many years of counselling, I think I am finally at peace with my shitty, dysfunctional childhood, and beginning to rationalise and accept my feelings about food and abandonment.

I'm now left with the immense task of completely re-educating myself about my physical feelings around hunger and fullness and emotional feelings around denial, punishment, reward and love.

I'm nearly half way through my weight loss, and making good progress with all the other stuff too! Smile

HighHeidYin · 07/05/2011 11:24

debs congats! Hope it all goes well for you Smile

Will this be our first ww baby?

littlefish Sad You have come through all that and despite it have turned out to be such a lovely person.

androb sounds like fun - I might drop dead of a heart attack if it's too fast and furious though Grin

Didn't go last night. Had a takeaway instead Blush but am definitely going to try bodyjam out next week.

Decorating today. Need to get the bathroom finished so got a bit of painting to do and the bath panel and shower screen to put up. Fun!

HighHeidYin · 07/05/2011 11:27

Oh and my reasons for being overweight is that I am greedy and love massive portions of food. And tend to drink too much to boot. Oh and am lazy too by nature - if I had my way would spend all day slobbed on the couch with a good book.

Nothing emotional about it for me or any underlying issues. So you would think it would be easy to deal with! But no. It's never easy.

Willabywallaby · 07/05/2011 14:06

Congrats debs hope it all works out.

A romance on the thread Careyfakes? here's hoping!

Sorry rubbish at name checking....

No weigh in for me on Wednesday, been poorly all week and was in bed!

Just started properly tracking again yesterday.

Had a disappointing shopping trip recently. Thought I'd try some size 12 cut off jeans in next, they fit really well, too roomy for a 12 I thought and I was right, a size 14 on a 12 hanger Angry Sad

Blondeshavemorefun · 07/05/2011 17:01

congrats debs :)

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herdingcats · 07/05/2011 18:32

Carey- hope your coffee date was fabSmile
Debs- I do so hope it all turns out well for you and DH
I think the main reason I am overweight is because of my back problem , my weight had mostly stayed within a stone of what I was at 16 until that happened. Lack of movement impacts so much. Also I have never really felt confident about how I look after being married to a total bastard 1st H. No pregnancies for me anymore ,I went through an early menopause after having my DD at 38. Can't really believe it even now I'm 46 ( ancient) Wink

HighHeidYin · 07/05/2011 19:32

Ouch - bit through my tongue earlier today. Absolutely POURED with blood - thought I would need stitches!

Has stopped bleeding but is really sore. Agony eating dinner and couldn't finish it. Was delish too - shepherd's pie Sad

A bit of a drastic way to stop eating but it might help me lose a pound or two this week!

HighHeidYin · 07/05/2011 19:32

Does anyone know how Norma is btw?

debs39 · 07/05/2011 19:46

hhy so sorry for your agonies but had to have a little giggle as that is my favourite trick when am ramming food in gob too quickly....get well soon...hope you don't do what i normally do ie cos it swells up sore, I nomally bite it at least 3 more times in fist day.. : (

HighHeidYin · 07/05/2011 19:49

That's what I'm terrified of debs The thought of biting it again sends waves of horror through me...

The funny thing is dh and I were sitting eating a roll and he bit his tongue and I laughed at him and told him it was a daft thing to do. Literally 2 seconds later I almost bit my tongue off! Didn't think it was so funny then... serves me right Grin

herdingcats · 07/05/2011 20:12

HHY -ouch that sounds awful. Make sure you gargle with salty water ,will help the healing and keep it clean. Definately extreme dieting trick though GrinWink

HighHeidYin · 07/05/2011 20:15

Good idea about the salty water - didn't think of that! Twas a bit extreme. Wouldn't recommend it and don't think it will pop up in the WW magazine as a dieting tip any time soon Grin

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