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Weight loss injections/treatments

Discuss weight-loss injections and treatments, including personal experiences. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any treatments.

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Velvetandleather · 20/04/2026 15:58

CautiousLurker2 · 20/04/2026 15:50

OP says ‘Behind a pay wall. Sounds horrific’… so hasn’t even read the article. 🤦🏽‍♀️

Oh well spotted, so she is one of those posters. How embarassing for her.

SilenceInside · 20/04/2026 15:59

Do people not know that there are various paywall accessing sites you can use to read content like this, if you want to? Either to avoid giving the origin website clicks or just to get past the paywall itself, or both.

likelysuspect · 20/04/2026 16:00

I was always under the impression that medications were tested on pigs because arent they more similar to us than monkeys, although that doesnt sound right as I write it, perhaps Im going doolally

looks round for me meds

CautiousLurker2 · 20/04/2026 16:09

likelysuspect · 20/04/2026 16:00

I was always under the impression that medications were tested on pigs because arent they more similar to us than monkeys, although that doesnt sound right as I write it, perhaps Im going doolally

looks round for me meds

You might be muddling forensic pathology tests - they are always taking mallets and screwdrivers to pigs.

Ooh, just fell down a google wormhole on ‘pigs v people in forensic pathology testing’… I may be away a while…

Sunnyskiesa · 20/04/2026 16:16

Shocking to see that in 2026 there are people that are finding out from the Daily mail that clinical trials are made on animals.

If there is any infringement of the correct procedures to do animal testing, that will be investigated. If not, nothing we can do.

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 17:45

GiveMeWordGames · 20/04/2026 15:03

Not really. When something is posted in this way (emotive-shock title, implicit blame/judgement of WLI users for the animal testing, guaranteed to start another tiresome bunfight about the whole effing topic of WLI use) it alienates me from the poster and, by association, their cause. If there was a mute/ignore/block option on here, I would do that.

There's nothing logical in the way the OP has posted this - it's all emotion. That's not being talked to, it's being shouted at.

The fact that WLIs may be misused by people who don't qualify medically is neither the fault nor the problem to be solved of those who do qualify. Anymore than eg those who use opiates for legitimate pain relief need to justify it due to others abusing them.

Edited

Ok, so for you it doesn’t work. But there’s plenty of evidence that shock advertising does work for some people and, after all, here we are talking about it. You say you’d have blocked if there was an option, but you didn’t ignore it.

Personally I don’t read blame/judgement in the OP, which is simply posting an article.

Velvetandleather · 20/04/2026 17:49

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 17:45

Ok, so for you it doesn’t work. But there’s plenty of evidence that shock advertising does work for some people and, after all, here we are talking about it. You say you’d have blocked if there was an option, but you didn’t ignore it.

Personally I don’t read blame/judgement in the OP, which is simply posting an article.

😂

likelysuspect · 20/04/2026 17:54

SilenceInside · 20/04/2026 15:59

Do people not know that there are various paywall accessing sites you can use to read content like this, if you want to? Either to avoid giving the origin website clicks or just to get past the paywall itself, or both.

I was informed of this yesterday

Still think its inconvenient for me to have to faff about clicking ths, clicking that, pasting this, pasting that

I think its bad form personally to put a link to something that you need a subscription to, people should post the article or the link to wherever they've gone to do the work needed to make it readable.

GiveMeWordGames · 20/04/2026 17:59

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 17:45

Ok, so for you it doesn’t work. But there’s plenty of evidence that shock advertising does work for some people and, after all, here we are talking about it. You say you’d have blocked if there was an option, but you didn’t ignore it.

Personally I don’t read blame/judgement in the OP, which is simply posting an article.

I didn't read the article so effectively I did ignore it. I initially only posted on the thread to challenge another poster on their tiresome ignorance about obesity, nothing to do with the original post. Then to disagree with you.

And it was the OP I was talking about blocking or muting if I could, to avoid being bored/irritated by anything further they might post on this or any other topic.

The link which the OP posted literally has the phrase "shames weight loss industry" . I'm going to go out on a limb here and call that pretty bloody judgy.

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 17:59

CautiousLurker2 · 20/04/2026 15:07

I get what you are saying - but, just because a minority of people abuse them/get them illegally, should the normal clinical tests and protocols be denied? Lots of people abuse painkillers (codeine addiction, suicide ideation using paracetamol) and other otc drugs (my mother had lifelong ED and died as a result, she took 70 laxatives a day for years which contributed to her death)… but because people abuse GLP1s, we should be more outraged at the use of animals in their development.

Conflating outrage at the misuse/abuse of medications (and only this one set of drugs specifically) with the separate controversial issue of animal testing during clinical trials is reductive and creates a false narrative. It’s pure media spin to bait anti WLI readers and is in no intended to instigate social outrage at animal testing or a review of humane practices.

That’s not a what I’m saying at all. I haven’t said anything about abuse and tbh I don’t know whether it is possible to obtain these drugs illegally. My point is that the drug as developed is effective for medical use, and (I think, could be wrong) that the drive to reinvent and tweak etc is driven at least in part to enable them to be marketed to more and more people using them for less than life saving reasons. It has become an industry all of its own.

It’s complicated because many diabetic people are obese, and obesity obviously contributes to diabetes and many other diseases. Is obesity a disease on its own? I personally don’t think it’s a moral issue- obesity and weight loss drugs are no more about morals than depression and anti-depressants. They might both be cases of ‘if you’ve only got a hammer then every problem is a nail’. No doubt some people’s lives are massively improved by pharmaceuticals for both depression and obesity. But it’s not a coincidence that both are diseases more prevalent in areas of material deprivation. I tend to think they are both examples of how we’ve created a society that us dangerous to our health.

But all that’s irrelevant really, I’m just saying I don’t read the OP as goady or judgemental, nor am I judging anyone’s reason for using them. AFAIK most people are using for obesity, and about a third for diabetes, both of which have a clinical threshold (and obviously there’s a crossover).

SilenceInside · 20/04/2026 17:59

@likelysuspectyes I really was meaning that the OP should have managed to get around the paywall if she was so concerned, and then also posted a paywall busting link rather than the original DM one.

@Allisnotlost1 there’s plenty of blame and judgment which is why the OP has only posted in this one section when this article applies to all medications.

likelysuspect · 20/04/2026 18:08

Yes I see what you mean, Ive forgotten what to do to access these sort of articles anyway now!!

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:17

SilenceInside · 20/04/2026 17:59

@likelysuspectyes I really was meaning that the OP should have managed to get around the paywall if she was so concerned, and then also posted a paywall busting link rather than the original DM one.

@Allisnotlost1 there’s plenty of blame and judgment which is why the OP has only posted in this one section when this article applies to all medications.

Yea I get it, that’s your reading of it. It’s not mine.

SilenceInside · 20/04/2026 18:19

I’m not trying to persuade you to change your opinion.

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:27

GiveMeWordGames · 20/04/2026 17:59

I didn't read the article so effectively I did ignore it. I initially only posted on the thread to challenge another poster on their tiresome ignorance about obesity, nothing to do with the original post. Then to disagree with you.

And it was the OP I was talking about blocking or muting if I could, to avoid being bored/irritated by anything further they might post on this or any other topic.

The link which the OP posted literally has the phrase "shames weight loss industry" . I'm going to go out on a limb here and call that pretty bloody judgy.

Edited

Tbh I’ve never read anything in the Mail that wasn’t trying to shame someone, but even so that’s shaming an industry. Are you here to defend the industry?

OrangeOpalFruits · 20/04/2026 18:27

Motnight · 20/04/2026 12:19

Probably for a lot of posts saying fatties just need to eat less and move more and it's disgusting blah di blah

Well, they do, don't they?
Wionder how many posters will attempt to justify using cosmetics tested on animals?

GiveMeWordGames · 20/04/2026 18:39

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:27

Tbh I’ve never read anything in the Mail that wasn’t trying to shame someone, but even so that’s shaming an industry. Are you here to defend the industry?

You're being deliberately obtuse if you're saying you can't see how posting a link with those words in it, in a part of the site specifically for WLI users, isn't both implicitly judgmental and absolutely goady. We're not the industry itself (which is big enough and robust enough that it really doesn't need me to defend it) but we are the end users of the product.

But, like @SilenceInside I've no interest in changing your mind. Just being very clear that I see right through the OP's intentions.

likelysuspect · 20/04/2026 18:42

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:27

Tbh I’ve never read anything in the Mail that wasn’t trying to shame someone, but even so that’s shaming an industry. Are you here to defend the industry?

Which industry?

DeftGoldHedgehog · 20/04/2026 18:42

hotdoggies · 20/04/2026 13:45

Yes but 80-90% of people with type 2 diabetes are over weight or obese. If people ate healthily we wouldn't need these drugs.

I'm with you OP but it looks like you really touched a nerve here.

Can't believe someone is comparing weight loss drugs to cancer drugs.

What other drugs shouldn't we have? Paracetamol? Immodium? 🤔

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:45

GiveMeWordGames · 20/04/2026 18:39

You're being deliberately obtuse if you're saying you can't see how posting a link with those words in it, in a part of the site specifically for WLI users, isn't both implicitly judgmental and absolutely goady. We're not the industry itself (which is big enough and robust enough that it really doesn't need me to defend it) but we are the end users of the product.

But, like @SilenceInside I've no interest in changing your mind. Just being very clear that I see right through the OP's intentions.

Edited

I can see why someone sensitised to judgement would see it that way. I can also see why someone would post a story about WLIs in the WLIs section. 🤷‍♀️

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:47

likelysuspect · 20/04/2026 18:42

Which industry?

The weight loss industry - from the pp ‘The link which the OP posted literally has the phrase "shames weight loss industry" ‘

likelysuspect · 20/04/2026 18:50

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:47

The weight loss industry - from the pp ‘The link which the OP posted literally has the phrase "shames weight loss industry" ‘

Yes, your 'defence' if you like of OP or the article was that its sort of ok because its not shaming people, but shaming 'an industry' (by inference)

But its surely the pharmaceutical industry, not the weight loss industry?

How can it be the weight loss industry, when it has no choice or nothing to do with how medicines are tested?

SilenceInside · 20/04/2026 18:52

It's not about the weight loss industry, at all. It's about testing medication on animals, which happens across all sectors. The DM is using the hook of WLI as click and rage bait, when the article and the pictures are about a multitude of different medications.

There has been a concerted effort across the site by a handful of posters since that DM article was published to post it all over the WLI section. I have been reporting posts and threads about it all day.

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:54

likelysuspect · 20/04/2026 18:50

Yes, your 'defence' if you like of OP or the article was that its sort of ok because its not shaming people, but shaming 'an industry' (by inference)

But its surely the pharmaceutical industry, not the weight loss industry?

How can it be the weight loss industry, when it has no choice or nothing to do with how medicines are tested?

I see your point, I was only quoting the pp who was quoting the article. IMO the weight loss industry (in this example) is the pharmaceutical industry. Neither have a choice in the testing, which is governed by law, but both are medicalising a problem and bringing solutions to market.

ETA Im not defending the OP, I’m just saying I don’t feel the need to dismiss them the way some do.

Allisnotlost1 · 20/04/2026 18:56

SilenceInside · 20/04/2026 18:52

It's not about the weight loss industry, at all. It's about testing medication on animals, which happens across all sectors. The DM is using the hook of WLI as click and rage bait, when the article and the pictures are about a multitude of different medications.

There has been a concerted effort across the site by a handful of posters since that DM article was published to post it all over the WLI section. I have been reporting posts and threads about it all day.

Why are you reporting them?