Anyone got injections for losing 1 stone?

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I’m perimenopause and cannot shift the weight, it’s really affecting my mental health. I’m a short ass so it really shows the extra weight. BMI 25.5/26.
Ive started to socially withdraw due to weight
Would I be able to get the injections?

Exactly this!

There seems to be some sort of new narrative that obese people are the only ones that get food noise!

I’m another one that is overweight and have to consider everything I eat, constantly fighting the food noise. I’m currently saving up, with the plan to finally let myself go and eat what I want over Xmas. Once I hit the magic 27BMI (I have co-morbidities already), I will go on the WLI in the new year with the hope of finally not having to fight the hunger anymore, as well as slimming down to a healthy weight and hopefully lower my cholesterol too

Yes - that’s me! Exactly. I love mounjaro. For the first time in my adult life I don’t have food noise. I’m not constantly hungry. I’m not battling the cravings.

re: cholesterol. Mine dropped from 5.1 when I was 70kg to 3.6 now (at 60kg).

I don’t get the way some people almost gatekeep WLI.
I couldn’t give a fig what people do, it’s their own risk to take and does not affect me.

Exactly. It's really odd to see the way (some, not all) people on MJ seem to care so much about the circumstances, the starting weights and the current BMIs of other people taking it. Eg saying taking it is "cheating" or else claiming people with BMIs under 27 shouldn't even consider wanting it at all.

I have severe asthma but do I care that other people are prescribed inhalers for mild exercise-induced asthma? Of course I don't. And equally you don't see people with chronic pain complaining about others who reach for codeine when they have a headache. Etc etc.

But as weight is such an emotive issue, it seems some people have transferred their very strong emotions about their own battles with their weight to what's now a mass-market product.
A drug is a drug; logically MJ shouldn't carry emotional baggage or moral weight any more than other prescription meds do.

I think it’s because weight is so tied up in diet culture and views that only a slimmer body is worth respect etc. I thought we were doing a good job of fighting this but when people with no health risks and a normal or slightly overweight bmi take it to get down to a lower bmi it just feels like the old diet pill / nothing tastes as good as skinny feels culture to me.

Taking it because of health reasons when your BMI is higher and does not move despite a great diet and physical activity (or a disability / health issue that prevents it) is completely different because the motivations are about health not dieting down to fit an idealised size.

Suppose depends on how overweight eg someone with a BMI of 29 and no health conditions could be carrying quite a lot of excess fat that could lead to inflammation / increase cancer risk.

For me, I’ve reduced cholesterol from 5.1 (borderline high) to 3.6 by taking it for 3 months and losing 10kg.

There are fitness influencers saying it’s great for inflammation and taking low doses even when they dont want to lose weight

It's really odd to see the way (some, not all) people on MJ seem to care so much about the circumstances, the starting weights and the current BMIs of other people taking it. Eg saying taking it is "cheating" or else claiming people with BMIs under 27 shouldn't even consider wanting it at all.
I have severe asthma but do I care that other people are prescribed inhalers for mild exercise-induced asthma? Of course I don't. And equally you don't see people with chronic pain complaining about others who reach for codeine when they have a headache. Etc etc.

I think the difference is that the person whose asthma is mild does still have asthma and is taking a drug licensed to treat that condition. And the person with the headache does have pain and is taking a drug designed to help with pain. That’s not the same as someone who is not obese taking a drug licensed to treat obesity.

I think this is the big misunderstanding - obesity is not just about being fat, it’s a metabolic disease which compromises all kinds of physiological processes. Medically speaking, I don’t think that being slightly overweight is a mild case of obesity in the same way that a headache is a mild pain. The damage and the metabolic processing going on is not the same, and that processing is largely what Mounjaro addresses. It’s not about how hard it is for you to lose weight or how bad it makes you feel or how much food noise you have. The relevant question is whether or not you have obesity and that is currently defined by BMI.

And the reason (I think) that people with obesity are sensitive about it is that they are shitting themselves that the misuse of these drugs might mean that they lose access to a treatment that is completely transforming their quality of life, improving many aspects of their health and is likely saving them from an early death. The stakes are really high for people with BMIs in the 30s, 40s, 50s and above.

We understand that BMI is an imperfect tool that doesn’t necessarily correlate to health. This is especially true of people in the overweight category where it is not an accurate predictor of metabolic health, insulin resistance an indicator of ghrelin or leptin levels.

Yes, everyone knows that BMI is flawed and 29.9 is basically the same as 30, but nevertheless there has to be a point at which obesity is judged to begin and right now that’s it.

The regulators tend not to go for licensing drugs in populations that they are not designed for and in whom they haven’t been trialled. People who haven’t got obesity might as well go asking for ADHD meds. Sure, I don’t have a diagnosis of ADHD, and I’m nowhere near obesity, but I want to lose a stone and they’ll help me do that, so why can’t I have them..

Meanwhile as it’s measured off BMI, and I gained circa 7-8kg of muscle mass over past few years (as well as fat) can get it legally at the same bodyfat % as someone who is not eligible

Yes absolutely BMI is flawed but for now that’s the diagnostic criterion for obesity, I presume it’s the least worst option, or at least tolerable, in the opinion of the scientific community.

Unfair..... Not allowed....... You sound like a grumpy 5 year old. If you really want to qualify for obesity prescription medication, just become obese, if it's so appealing. Maybe you could try to get clinical depression too so you can get some anti depressants.

Im Always amazed by this and the absolute horror by former fatties now maintaining ( myself included ) that someone heavier than they are at the weight they have got down to, might in some way shape or form be able to access the miracle we have all had the privilege of using - and continue to do so while at a healthy weigh and bmi )
bizarre
it’s female gatekeeping at its most spiteful - as nobody actually gives a shit about any potential risks to a strangers health! it’s gate keeping pure and simplez.

I think in part obese people have suffered years of negativity by society, and until these jabs came out, forums like this were full of healthy weight women explaining how they stayed slim, exercise diet etc, no one was going on about how hard it was, no one. It was all crowing about how they could achieve it. Then the drugs came out and suddenly everyone is all it’s so hard, it’s only a stone, I want them too, I habe to struggle every day, why can’t I get them, it such hard work staying s healthy weight, so so hard. So people are a bit fuck you you weren’t saying that a year ago, about it.

I never managed to shift that stone, personally. I occasionally came close during term time, but then would always put it back on (and a little more) during the holidays - I’m a teacher, and I just couldn’t resist the call of the fridge when I was at home all day.

I never binge ate, just that with PCOS and peri, I really didn’t have leeway for even a few biccies here and there.

On mounjaro, I’ve had two biscuits in six months and zero packets of crisps (I may have stolen a few).

I don’t think losing just a stone is easy at all. I think sometimes just not gaining is a massive battle. There are people fighting that battle at a healthy weight and people fighting that battle who are obese. I was the former and the moment I became eligible for mounjaro, I jumped on the chance.

However, it was always inevitable by looking at the trend of my weight slowly going up over years that I was going to be eligible eventually. It would have been nice to have been on it earlier and not had those few years of feeling horrible, both physically and mentally.

I don’t really see gatekeeping - I see people asking how come they’re not allowed Mounjaro just because they want it, and others explaining time and again the difference between someone with obesity who now weighs 9st and someone without obesity who weighs 10st. Many posters either have a very poor understanding of obesity and its treatment, or are just wilfully ignorant and trying to wind people up. I also see people warning against buying any old shite from the neighbour’s Botox lady, but that’s just good sense imo.

I'd also guess the people who are genuinely only a few pounds below the various thresholds will probably be doing things like weighing after a large meal and not watching their diet for a few weeks in order to qualify. So actual edge cases may not be that much of an issue.

True - these people will not be missing out.

There was a thread the other day about a private clinic prescribing micro doses of mounjaro for small amounts of weight loss.

Yes is it called the Healand Clinic or something like that? Not sure how they get around the regulations, someone was saying they don’t send the normal pen but dispense it into individual syringes or something? But I’ve not really looked into it.

I understand this feeling but you’re assuming that the “just eat less and move more, it’s not hard” people are the same as the ones now saying “it’s bloody hard work”.

They’re not! There are some people who stay slim easily (who wouldn’t benefit from WLI) and some for whom it is a constant battle. I’ve been both… thyroid and peri have done a number on my metabolism in the last decade.

Your kidneys will be happier than hers. Any medication is a strain for them

Yup. I decided to do It when I had a high cholesterol test, BMI was 26.5. with high cholesterol you qualify with a BMI of 27.

Once I decided to take the jabs didn’t take long (eg large carby meal, and drink a lot before weight in) to qualify. The one I went with required me to stand on scales during the call. But I did realise later could have have a dumbell down back of trousers. But either way. It was close.

Yes or perhaps Yealand. I’ve put on about a stone due to peri but I’m going to try and lose it the old fashioned way first. If I haven’t lost it by spring then I might look further into mounjaro.

Good point to be fair… x