Everyone just hates fat people

[mamabeeboo]

Yes I'm fat and yes I'm taking the WLI.

I've had it out with a friend of a friend during a catch up dinner yesterday and I'm fuming.

I've lost some weight and still have a good 5 or so stone more to go before I'm anywhere near the 'normal' BMI category. So no, I'm not wasting away or disappearing, or losing weight too fast.

The mistake I made was being honest about the jabs. But I stand by it, I think it's important to get healthy, regardless of how you do it, just get there.

ANYWAY, this person has suddenly decided to feel concerned for my health, now that the loss has become noticeable. With some silent nods from others about how you should 'just eat less and move more'. No shit is that what was supposed to do?!

A big discussion about:
just have willpower
just have smaller portions
do it the normal way, you don't know what you're putting into your body
it's not healthy
just put down the fork
it's about dicipline
it's not really losing weight though, is it (huhh??)
it's more rewarding to do it the normal way so you can feel achievement

It's gotten me thinking of how so many people just hate fat people. You want us to pay for being fat, to suffer at the gym doing workouts we don't like or can't do with joint pain and back pain etc. You want us to 'just have willpower' like it's that easy. You want us to try all the diets and fail so you can feel superior with your 'discipline' and that you 'look after your body'.

You hate the fact that these WLI have levelled the playing field.

I said all this yesterday and it became very frosty. These aren't my friends, I was there for the birthday girl, but I won't sit there and take it.

I'm posting because I'd love to hear what you might have heard when talking about WLI. (Or if anyone agrees with the above 🤔)

@MidnightMeltdown "these people" are me, the other people here posting on this thread. You could address us directly, perhaps. You're right, I am very very happy to be wasting my own money. The NHS can make whatever decisions it likes on this, and a tiny number of people are being prescribed them at the moment anyway. This research is likely to lead to the NHS considering how to support people after losing weight, rather than simply deciding not to use these medications.

I will continue to waste my money to lose weight and to stay at a healthy weight. I am very well aware of the need to maintain my weight loss, and that it's as much of a challenge as losing the weight in the first place. It's fascinating the constant nay-saying and negativity around this, that the only correct way to lose weight is without using medication.

@SilenceInside I do wonder what the nay sayers would think about:

Anorexics being offered an injection to reverse and treat their eating disorder (or should they just try harder and eat more?)

Alcoholics being offered an injection to reverse and treat their addiction (or should they just try harder and drink less?)

Drug addicts being offered an injection to reverse and treat their addiction (or should they just try harder and stop taking drugs?)

Smokers being offered an injection to reverse and treat their addiction (or should they just try harder and stop smoking?)

Depressed/Mentally unwell people being offered an injection to treat their mental illness? (or should they just go for a walk, be grateful for what they have and try harder to snap out of it?)

Or is it only the dirty, stupid, uneducated, fatties that it applies to?

There are quite a few GPs on the weightloss threads. I think six years of medical training is enough to be classed as intelligent.

The other interesting fact was the number of doctors with alcohol dependancy. Plenty at AA.
My first tranche of weight came about after having therapy. Had the jabs been available then I would have been taking them.

As a society we've all had the fear of god put into us about being fat, so I think the feeling is often 'thank heavens that's not me'.

'These people' 😂 Makes a change from 'lazy fatties' I guess.
A friend of mine cycles everywhere in London - it's a lifestyle choice. A couple of years ago he was hit by a car and had a horrific assortment of broken bones, all fixed for free by the NHS. Should he be told he can't cycle any more because his lifestyle choices make him a potential drain on the NHS resources? Of course not, because the NHS isn't a cunt!

Why are some of you so emotionally attached to the idea that people on WLIs must inevitably stop them rather than remaining on maintenance doses, and how come you don't have anything to say about how obese people losing weight through dieting are also more likely to put the weight back on?

There are rather obvious answers to those questions, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt and keep the possibility open that you have sensible answers. For now.

Diets don't work - we know this. You can lose substantial amounts of weight on a diet but only a very small percentage of people will maintain their new weight past a year.

WLI change the game because they can be used for long term maintenance. People can stay on a small regular dose for life or they can use them intermittently to maintain their healthy weight.

Im genuinely am happy for anyone that loses weight whether on weight loss jags or not.

I think they are a fantastic thing and really buy into the fact that overall the cost helps reduce the load on the nhs with the obesity crisis and also helps people get healthier.

I do also understand it from the the other side aswel, ive recently within the last year embarked on my own weight loss and health journey by loosing over 2 stone and exercising almost every day in some form or another.

I've now got what most people class as an envious figure, im much happier, confident and super healthy.

Some people have assumed or insinuated im on weight loss injections and it does annoy me because i did work hard for it, does it mean im better than someone that has used the injections - no.

But nonetheless I worked hard for it and I deserve to be recognized for doing it naturally.

I think you might be oversensitive. This could be genuine concern as people are dying taking weight loss jabs!

Warning after new death toll announced for people taking weight loss and diabetes jab - The Mirror

@Nottsandcrosses A lot of people on WLIs are working hard as well, they don't just magically lose the weight without restricting calories and exercising. There's someone upthread who said they hadn't lost anything - because they hadn't put the work in whilst on WLIs. There's even people who have had bariatric surgery and put all the weight back on, because they don't adjust diet and just eat smaller quantities of high calorie foods more often. The reality is if people don't make sustained lifestyle changes either whilst on a WLI programme or via a more conventional diet program, people will regain. It's not a magic cure - it's a tool in the toolbox.

So the death toll for these 'dangerous' drugs is 22 out of many millions. The article admits there are more deaths from uncontrolled diabetes.
The Scottish nurse that died last year was tragic but a rare case.
Alcohol, recreational drugs and poor mental health kill far more people. Even OTC painkillers do. No medication is without risk.
I wonder about the journalists that write these sensational pieces. What skin do they have in the game?

People die taking ibuprofen! It's a risk with pretty much any medication - that's why reading the sides effects in the pamphlets and risk assessing is so important.
It doesn't sound like this was remotely the concern of any of the OPs 'friends' though - that was more of a just work harder fatty, vibe.

Who knows. I don't care if people are losing weight through WLI or exercise and diet it makes no difference to my life. Good on them for making a change!

But... if a family member or friend decided to use these jabs I would 100% be concerned about side effects. I suppose it is for the individual to determine whether the pros outweigh the cons.

Yeah i think thats fair, the 3 close people i know that are using really have barely been able to eat, one has lost 3 stone, the other 2 have only started last month and consistently loosing.

2 out of the 3 feel like shit, potentially ready to stop as they are struggling to function.

All 3 have said they dont ant to eat anything and are literally forcing themselves to eat.

Traditional weight loss is alot slower, requires alot of willpower, tracking and weighing as we still have the urge to eat more so need to track to ensure we dont.

So again, traditional weightloss is harder.

@Nottsandcrosses I've done it both ways (on WLIs for medical reasons, was about to get T2 diabetes because of genetic predisposition if I didn't do something fast, so need to get down to what most people would consider a really low BMI, around 20, rather than because I was obese). I don't think I've found one way harder than the other. But I haven't experienced the heavy suppression of appetite that some people have, and have been averaging 1.5lb weight loss a week, so much slower than a lot of people, have still had an urge to eat most days, and had to track what I'm eating very carefully. I will say that my loss is faster on WLIs, when not on them, I could really only shift about 0.5lb a week. I'm short, so don't have a lot of calories to spare, even though I'm very active. So the WLIs are helping me address my looming health issue (BMI was only 25.7 to start, so nowhere near obese) quickly under medical advice. Is that a "cheat"? Maybe. Do I care? Not really, my health is more important than caring about what other people think.

We're also working hard for it and deserve to have that recognised.

@DurbevillesGirl2 I'm struggling to see what was so amusing about my earlier post. You can be cynical all you like (and by now it's obvious to everyone on this thread that you want us all to fail so you can gloat) but at the end of the day you don't have lived experience of this and you don't know what you're talking about.

Big round of applause to you for not needing medication to help you lose weight. Well done for not having medical/medication issues which make it impossible for you to lose weight the traditional way. Respect is due.

Are you so concerned about any other meds people you know are taking? No-one was deeply concerned when I started taking the pill and that gave me a pulmonary embolism, which can very much be fatal. Something about WLI suddenly makes everyone super concerned about side effects though, even though they don't seem to be any more extreme than any other prescription medication.

I'd be interested to understand how they died? It says it's linked but doesn't say what they died from or whether they had comorbidities? Whether they were from reputable sources? Whether people are still eating and drinking on them? - one story I have just read that one woman lost 4.5 stone in about a month, that's starving your body and not how the jabs are meant to be used!

But nonetheless I worked hard for it and I deserve to be recognized for doing it naturally.

This is the crux of it - being thin needs to be gained through sacrifice and suffering to be valid.

‘These people’ fatty fats using WLIs are cheating! They didn’t suffer enough! They haven’t paid for the sin of being fat to be allowed to be thin now!

Yes the only bad cases I’ve heard of are when people who don’t need them use them, or people use them incorrectly.
I know two people with really bad kidney issues from them but they lied to get prescriptions as they were only maybe a stone overweight. They are now tiny and one has relapsed with her anorexia and bulemia, but loves the control of it. I now worry for people using them who only need to lose a small amount.
otherwise I’ve just heard of the mild side effects

To be honest, losing weight is just the start. To have the body most people seen to aspire to takes work in the gym. Dropping body fat, especially when it’s done rapidly (naturally or with WLI) also involves muscle loss. To get a toned look after weight loss takes a lot of work in the gym. That can’t be done by pharmaceutical means alone (including steroids).

if you can do it on your own, you're already winning. No costs - the shots (especially over longer period) are not cheap, no potential side effects - winning all the way. Why not be happy with that, instead of being envious of someone who tried and failed to do it naturally?

And yes, you can't fake strong, I'm still working out hard practically every day. Except it's now a lot easier.

People are so weird. Imagine being so bothered about what other people do with their own money and bodies. These jabs are proven over and over again to be effective in more than weight loss and for those other reasons alone, I plan on staying on it long term, and making the sacrifices to self fund. Honestly, all the fake concerns about people staying on it long term by people who have never needed them boggles my mind. Drink some tea and mind your own business if you have nothing positive to say.