W1 D6 - Hunger returns, anyone jabbed a day early?

[Trainier]

I've had good suppression so far on 2.5, but food noise is back today, and hunger this evening.

I'm a bit tempted to jab a day early if I wake up feeling really hungry. Anyone done this?

But all of this didn't need to be said to this poster, because a lot of it doesn't apply to them?

Your points are absolutely valid, but this poster's 'crime' was asking one question and getting pasted for it. That's not what these forums are supposed to be about.

It really should be possible to inform, help and give vital information without the heavy handed judgement and patronising that this OP got - God knows many people on MJ have enough of that.

And of course, it IS possible! I've seen it all over the MJ forums from knowledgeable, patient posters, but the OP here was made to feel slapped down and unwelcome.

We should be more supportive than making someone feel like crap, then saying, 'you're just taking personally' imo.

It's getting worse, it really is.

The guidelines say to take 2.5mg for 4 weeks then move up to 5mg. They don’t say to fuck about with your pen and insulin syringes to get another week but everyone does. Going against the guidelines is going against them whatever you’re doing. You don’t get to be superior because someone feels it necessary to inject a whole single day early!

Taking it a day early here and there is no big deal. I checked with my pharmacist before I did but I knew it would be fine from my own research.

I think getting the bonus dose within the 30 days is very different to increasing your medication against dosing guidelines in the first week to be fair,

It is not about being superior it is about being sensible.

If you did your own research beyond internet forums, educated yourself and spoke to your own pharmacist for your individual circumstances that is very different to advising someone you have no idea of their circumstances in the first few days after injecting to give increasing their dose a go.

If you have done your own research you will also know the difference in risk between someone increasing their dose in the first few days of taking the medication vs decreasing it and you should share that with the OP.

My hunger (well, cravings as I was always having hunger) returned on W1 D4 and I just stuck with it. I like to think it’s practicing resisting as I won’t be on this forever and need to learn healthy habits. I’m someone who is very by the book though, will do exactly what my prescriber tells me and nothing more or less as it makes me nervous. This is a serious and strong drug.

I take the jab for insulin resistance and weight loss but i have horrible side affects so i inject twice a week(half a dose Monday half a dose Thursday).
Advised by the doctor and works great 👍🏻

I agree this is one of the first weight loss threads where I've seen a mumnset keyboard warrior.

"Irresponsible and silly" says PP. Shame on you.

I also suspect the nasty keyboard warriors and not even on the drug. Prob like the DIL fridge checker thread! Judgy and jealous!

I've been here over 20 years and the weight loss threads are one of the few where posters treat each other respect.

I agree.

@Trainier Ask any question you want. If it helps, ignore posts/posters you can't tolerate and focus on those you can.

I think saying 'silly' was a bit condescending. Calling it 'reckless' was fair enough and I doubt OP would have reacted the same way if not for the 'silly' remark.

I think the issue is that this is a serious medication and I don’t think people realise that.

Op asked a question. Yes, just a question. But I am pretty sure op wouldn’t have thought to ask MN users of messing around with blood pressure medication, or performing or insulin was good idea.

and anyone playing ‘yeah I did it and it was fine’ would be told that was was poor and dangerous advice.

To be fair my issues isn’t really with the Op. but the way people on the forum just hand out, potentially, dangerous advice on prescription medication as though it’s not got the potential to harm people. If Op has been reading these threads I can see why they have got the impression that messing around with doses and timings, isn’t a big deal. And thinking if it’s worked for one person it will be fine.

This forum is great in a lot of ways. But the time I have been on them I have seen some really concerning advice asked for and given. In ways people wouldn’t do for any other prescription meds. And I think it leads people, reading to believe it’s not that serious and it’s not a big deal. And it’s getting worse

Nasty keyboard warrior here - yes I am on Mounjaro, and have been on wegovy and ozempic so been all around these threads for nearly 2 years now. I'm sorry you think I'm 'nasty' but messing with medication in your first week is both irresponsible and silly and I don't really care if anyone has their feelings hurt by me saying so.

Bully for you. Unfortunately, people not caring about other people's feelings makes these boards more hostile and less helpful than they should be.

You COULD just offer advice without name calling and ridiculing new posters, but where's the fun in that, eh?

I did only on week 3 day 6 2.5mg, but once I increased my protein and fluids then I found it makes me full all the week through, currently just jabbed (30 mins ago) my bonus dose 2.5mg week 5 but had a low appetite all week as the protein keeps me full! My friend jabbed week 3 day 5 because she was going away and didn't want to take it with her but she has not experienced any side effects.

If you are referring to me you are wrong on every count.

We have very different ideas of respect, my idea of respecting another poster is not encouraging them to take a higher a dose of a serious prescription only medication without knowing what the impact could be on them as I care if they come to harm.

I am on my 4th MJ pen and have lost over 50lbs. I would never judge anyone for using it, and only care for their safety and wellbeing.

I have also been on MN since 2004 and have managed 20+ years without once having to resort to using the disrespectful term keyboard warriors in a poor attempt to be dismissive because I could not otherwise credibly argue my point.

I'm sorry OP for the posters on here. Normally the weigh loss threads are suportive, friendly and helpful.

As a PP said, please ignore the rude posts, don't take it to heart and have a wee look around the other threads in the weight loss. You'll find other support.

I started a similar thread under another user name (I change monthly) and had some great informative comments.

I'm sorry OP for the posters on here.

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I am also sorry OP, for the posters on here who show no regard for your health or safety in the guise of being "supportive", and get defensive when challenged as they cannot back up their "advice".

Think of the friendly advice like "Yup! I did on day 6 on week 1, then day 5 on week 2 and 3. On the 4th week I injected on day 5 and use the bonus dose too." as the same as someone with toothache saying to you "Yup! I took 3 paracetamol last night, then the next day I took them every 2 hours until I got to the dentist" . Does that sound like safe advice? No it doesn't, because it is not and paracetamol isn't even a POM. You may get stronger doses of paracetamol in hospital because a medical professional knows you, your history and what they are doing, but you wouldn't then (I hope!) give that advice to strangers on the internet and tell them to just go for it.

You need to be careful OP with some of the frivolous support, backed up only with huns and love hearts, given on these boards as some people do not either understand the implications of their advice or have just been lucky so far, but there are a few that haven't been as lucky and have had very unpleasant and unnecessary side effects resulting in days on the toilet, vomiting for days, off work ill, or even on an IV drip in hospital and feeling they have to end what would otherwise have been a successful MJ journey prematurely.

Are you a dr @NoTouch ?

Why the interest in my profession, it is not relevant. No one, not even a Dr should be suggesting to someone on the internet they do not know, to recklessly and regularly take higher doses of a POM.

Possibly because unless you're a doctor, you're no more qualified than anyone else to be dishing out advice? I suspect that most people on these boards have enough common sense to weigh up any answer to a query against a smorgasbord of other sources of experience/knowledge/information/reseach, even if they don't expressly state it in the thread.

Not sure what the reference to 'recklessly and regularly taking higher doses,' is related to - that's not what this thread is about.

Everyone should have enough common sense to know taking or suggesting taking to anyone higher doses of a POM a few days after starting is inadvisable unless you speak to your prescriber. You don't need a degree in medicine to know that.

The thread is about a new user of the medication, only a few days into using it, toying with and being encouraged to take doses early which has the same impact of a higher dose, increasing the concentration of the medication in their body when their body has not had time to become accustomed to it.

Perhaps if you credited other posters - the OP for example - with common sense equal to anyone else here, instead of trying to put them down, call them ridiculous, and so on until they had to leave their own thread, this could have been informative, friendly, and useful to other MJ users.

Sharing information is vital. Turning posters away from these forums and threads with name-calling, insults and so on, completely defeats the object.

It might be worth bearing in mind so that your posts do not not have the same effect in the future.

I would debate the level of common sense attributed to anyone casually encouraging to a new user of a medication to increase their dosage (by reducing the dosing schedule).

I never called anyone ridiculous, or iirc used that word. I never called anyone any names, that would be against MN guidelines so report me if I did, I said it was a reckless/irresponsible action to increase, or encourage someone to increase a serious POM dose and I stand by that.

I can see the "to be frank" which was intended to indicate I was being honest and understood they wouldn't like the answer was construed as patronising which was not the intention and I will avoid in the future.

The rest of it was factual and serious, as it is a serious subject about a serious medication. I don't do tactile and hearts and flowers in real life it is not me, but I do care about people coming to harm from this medication. I will continue to be me.

I don't think the OP wanted hearts and flowers - just friendly, informative advice, and not a clobbering for asking a question.

Anyway, you've taken on a little of what I mentioned, and I'm certain your intentions are good. Hopefully the OP will stick around and benefit from the many helpful, welcoming threads in the forum.

I'm beginning to think MJ might make people more gatekeepy/judgemental and unfriendly as these boards can be so unsupportive. I came here to say it's useful to learn to cope with hunger as some others have said, but I'm not surprised the OP isn't coming back.

So what if she's asked a question that you think is silly? Just scroll on by, you can see she's had lots of 'advice'. The expert syndrome is off the scale.

I'm not sure its about gatekeeping. The OP reads a bit like "omg it looks like I might be hungry for ONE DAY" and her solution is to mess with the dosage.

There's a certain group of people using WLI that seem to have this assumption that they will/should never feel hungry again. In which case what the hell happens when they stop the drug? They will get hungry...

Posters responses were all wrong, but there could be a bit more education around "living with" being hungry now and then, and using the injections to help with that. Many of us have a sort of low level fear of hunger which is why we're fat in the first place. I'm trying to use that day where it starts to wear off to move away from that hunger = panic = eat everything rather than fuck with the dosage and bury my head in the sand.

On 2.5 I jabbed a day early twice. Worked well for me. Since then I have felt no need to jab early.
The official recommendations are not to do it at all.. unless you want to change the day of your dose. You do anything at your own risk that deviates from the official rules. But personally I don't see any harm in doing it a couple of times. As long as it doesn't become a regular thing. It is important as others said to learn to deal with your hunger.
It also worked out as the day I jab now is the day that I would have wanted to from the start.