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W1 D6 - Hunger returns, anyone jabbed a day early?

54 replies

Trainier · 28/10/2024 23:02

I've had good suppression so far on 2.5, but food noise is back today, and hunger this evening.

I'm a bit tempted to jab a day early if I wake up feeling really hungry. Anyone done this?

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TwentyBillion · 28/10/2024 23:07

Yup! I did on day 6 on week 1, then day 5 on week 2 and 3. On the 4th week I injected on day 5 and use the bonus dose too.

I'm now on 5ml and have suppression for the whole 7 days, but def didn't have a lot of suppression on 2.5ml.

Trainier · 28/10/2024 23:12

Brill, thanks for that. I really don't want to feel derailed so early on, so I might do it if I wake up feeling hungry!

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WhatsInTheRug · 28/10/2024 23:14

No I don't....I like to train myself to manage the hunger. After all, I will not be on this drug for life

NoTouch · 29/10/2024 00:01

You are going to get days where you feel hungry, it is normal, especially in the first few weeks while your body gets used to the changes.

I am week 15, last week suppression was really low all week (still lost), and today it is back with a vengeance.

Be patient in the early weeks and see how your body responds to the dose and dosing schedule as the concentration increases in your body each week. There have been posters on here who have been reckless dosing early, or increasing before 4 weeks on a dose strength are up and have had very unpleasant side effects

healthybychristmas · 29/10/2024 06:58

WhatsInTheRug · 28/10/2024 23:14

No I don't....I like to train myself to manage the hunger. After all, I will not be on this drug for life

That's so exactly how I feel. In fact I take it every nine days in order to feel a little bit of hunger and deal with it sensibly.

TheSilkWorm · 29/10/2024 07:18

This is irresponsible and silly. You're only in the first week. The appetite suppression isn't going to be strong or reliable at this point. The dosage has been worked out by experts and the drug builds in your system over time. Don't decide you know better than the chemists and doctors who have determined the dosing schedule. Just accept that until you've built up to a therapeutic dose you'll feel hungry sometimes and you have to deal with it.

letshavetea · 29/10/2024 07:31

TheSilkWorm · 29/10/2024 07:18

This is irresponsible and silly. You're only in the first week. The appetite suppression isn't going to be strong or reliable at this point. The dosage has been worked out by experts and the drug builds in your system over time. Don't decide you know better than the chemists and doctors who have determined the dosing schedule. Just accept that until you've built up to a therapeutic dose you'll feel hungry sometimes and you have to deal with it.

I completely agree. This medicine is strong stuff. Yes, you might be okay accelerating the doses but you also might be really poorly. Give your body time to build up to a therapeutic level as recommended. A bit of hunger has to be managed. Suppression for me always wears off gradually after day four.

TheBoldHelper · 29/10/2024 07:33

No don’t do it, in my experience it isn’t about the suppression wearing off, more you are hungry and your tummy empty. You will find it you eat it will be a small portion, and the suppression will come back we need to learn to manage hunger on these meds and our eating habits, it’s really important, and listening to your body is critical.

over the course of a week you will be losing weight, stay healthy.

CesarSoubreyon · 29/10/2024 08:07

I think the people who seek to eradicate all feelings of hunger are the ones who will struggle when they come off Mounjaro.

Hunger is normal and this is about training yourself to deal with food and hunger in a healthy sustainable way.

Trying to never feel hungry ever is just ridiculous and why the weight will pile on once the medication is stopped.

KitsyWitsy · 29/10/2024 08:12

I have. Sometimes day 5 or 6.

On 5mg now and I’d kill for some appetite.

annedawso · 29/10/2024 08:51

In W1 I took a day early as going on holiday. The instructions say you can change your day and take another dose as long as 72hrs have elapse. However think that is meant to be a one off rather than regularly.
I thought my appetite suppression this week had stopped working as after a few days wouldn’t have minded a chocolate bar (or two) but have been able to resist the thought, due to the MJ.

SunQueen24 · 29/10/2024 09:14

WhatsInTheRug · 28/10/2024 23:14

No I don't....I like to train myself to manage the hunger. After all, I will not be on this drug for life

Exactly and if you’re eating very low on some days slightly higher calorie days are fine. I’ve eaten 1600 calories on my hungry day, still less than what I need to maintain a deficit.

In some ways it’s good as you can get some much needed nutrition in you. I’m sure a danger of these drugs is being malnourished.

SunQueen24 · 29/10/2024 09:16

healthybychristmas · 29/10/2024 06:58

That's so exactly how I feel. In fact I take it every nine days in order to feel a little bit of hunger and deal with it sensibly.

I was going to start a post re this. I am day 5 and my suppression is still very good. I am thinking of holding off my next dose. I am eating less than I need to to diet so I’m thinking whilst it’s going it’s job not to have it until it wears off.

Trainier · 29/10/2024 13:06

TheSilkWorm · 29/10/2024 07:18

This is irresponsible and silly. You're only in the first week. The appetite suppression isn't going to be strong or reliable at this point. The dosage has been worked out by experts and the drug builds in your system over time. Don't decide you know better than the chemists and doctors who have determined the dosing schedule. Just accept that until you've built up to a therapeutic dose you'll feel hungry sometimes and you have to deal with it.

I was just asking a question. I've decided not to do it as my hunger feels suppressed anyway again this monring.

Hopefully these forums can accommodate people feeling their way and asking questions without being told they're irresponsible, silly and ridiculous. I'm not sure that encourages new posters and people new to MJ to be open about asking for help.

I appreciate the helpful offered in this thread.

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unsync · 29/10/2024 13:19

No, it's a marathon not a sprint. The 'miracle drug' label is misleading. It does turn off the noise, but you will still have to put the effort in and you will need to learn to listen to the cues from your body. Hang in there, it will fall into place in time.

KitsyWitsy · 29/10/2024 13:34

People are so funny about what they think is acceptable and what isn’t. Plenty of people on here don’t take it as prescribed be that bonus doses, clicks etc but if you feel it necessary to take it a day early then you’re some kind of reckless lunatic. It is in the guidelines that you can take it after 4 days.

There’s enough judgement coming from outside our community without getting it from within!

TheBoldHelper · 29/10/2024 13:37

KitsyWitsy · 29/10/2024 13:34

People are so funny about what they think is acceptable and what isn’t. Plenty of people on here don’t take it as prescribed be that bonus doses, clicks etc but if you feel it necessary to take it a day early then you’re some kind of reckless lunatic. It is in the guidelines that you can take it after 4 days.

There’s enough judgement coming from outside our community without getting it from within!

But the bonus dose is within the time frame for the product being good, and clicks is generally to take less. Not more. This is someone in their first week. So people are advising not to do it so soon, which was the right answer as her suppression has come back. We need to help each other.

NoTouch · 29/10/2024 13:58

Trainier · 29/10/2024 13:06

I was just asking a question. I've decided not to do it as my hunger feels suppressed anyway again this monring.

Hopefully these forums can accommodate people feeling their way and asking questions without being told they're irresponsible, silly and ridiculous. I'm not sure that encourages new posters and people new to MJ to be open about asking for help.

I appreciate the helpful offered in this thread.

To be frank @Trainier , you probably need to understand more clearly what this prescription only medication does, the risks and side effects. You need to understand how the concentration builds in your system week after week and the changes it makes to your body.

Posts that may seem abrupt, or are not what you want to hear, come from a place of frustration and concern for what is a reckless suggestion. You need to understand you could do yourself harm if you decide to tweak it on the word of an similarly reckless internet stranger when you have no base knowledge to critically analyse their post which says "Yup, I did and it was fine". This medication works very different to different people, they may have been fine, you might not. You need to understand the risks you are taking which are laid out clearly in the medication instructions.

Until you do it is reckless to try playing about with what is a serious medication.

While you are learning how your body is reacting within the dosing schedule, keep reading about the medication in MN posts/facebook forums, ask questions to clarify anything you don't understand, watch videos, and once you know more then start thinking about low risk tweaks. You will pick up a lot during your first 2.5mg pen.

Example of low risk tweaks - click counting to take a lower dose, using the 5th dose and perhaps going a couple of days over the 30 days

Examples of stupid tweaks - injecting more often than the 7 day schedule regularly without discussing with your provider (especially when going up doses - someone ended up in hospital with that one), going weeks beyond the 30 day rule, not staying on a new higher dose strength for the full 4 weeks, buying dispensing tools off amazon (instead of syringes off a medical supplier), using any needle more than once.

MJ is a long journey, you have only just stepped on the path, be patient and don't start throwing the paving stones around just yet.

NoTouch · 29/10/2024 14:10

KitsyWitsy · 29/10/2024 13:34

People are so funny about what they think is acceptable and what isn’t. Plenty of people on here don’t take it as prescribed be that bonus doses, clicks etc but if you feel it necessary to take it a day early then you’re some kind of reckless lunatic. It is in the guidelines that you can take it after 4 days.

There’s enough judgement coming from outside our community without getting it from within!

It is in the guidelines that you can take it after 4 days.

You need to go back and reread the guidelines.

It gives guidelines for changing your injection day if you need to change it, saying you must wait at least 3 days - that would be a one off event.

It also gives guidance on what to do if you miss as dose, and what rules not to break - so you can keep to your injection day. It says it it is less than 4 days from when you should have injected, then you can inject, if more than 4 days wait until your next inject day. Again that should be a one off event.

NOWHERE does it say or even imply, if you feel a bit hungry at any point to go for it and inject again. You are playing games with the health of someone who only took their first injection just a few days ago!

hughiedoesntfight · 29/10/2024 14:10

Trainier · 29/10/2024 13:06

I was just asking a question. I've decided not to do it as my hunger feels suppressed anyway again this monring.

Hopefully these forums can accommodate people feeling their way and asking questions without being told they're irresponsible, silly and ridiculous. I'm not sure that encourages new posters and people new to MJ to be open about asking for help.

I appreciate the helpful offered in this thread.

It’s true. You are just asking. However, you are asking people their opinion on taking prescription in a way that it’s not meant to be taken.
Posters telling you that they faffed around with their dosage, took extra, took days early etc and it was fine, is irresponsible and it doesn’t mean it will be fine for you.

Chasing complete suppression from the very first week, is also a huge red flag. Posters on here or Facebook or any social media aren’t going to be responsible if you get sick. But also trying to live with complete suppression isn’t healthy. And it’s not teaching good habits.

And honestly, it really shows that so many people don’t really understand how this is a serious medication. It’s not something to take lightly or on the advice of someone on MN Facebook.

Changing up and messing with doses is something you really need to speak to your provider about and get medical advice on.

Trainier · 29/10/2024 14:13

NoTouch · 29/10/2024 13:58

To be frank @Trainier , you probably need to understand more clearly what this prescription only medication does, the risks and side effects. You need to understand how the concentration builds in your system week after week and the changes it makes to your body.

Posts that may seem abrupt, or are not what you want to hear, come from a place of frustration and concern for what is a reckless suggestion. You need to understand you could do yourself harm if you decide to tweak it on the word of an similarly reckless internet stranger when you have no base knowledge to critically analyse their post which says "Yup, I did and it was fine". This medication works very different to different people, they may have been fine, you might not. You need to understand the risks you are taking which are laid out clearly in the medication instructions.

Until you do it is reckless to try playing about with what is a serious medication.

While you are learning how your body is reacting within the dosing schedule, keep reading about the medication in MN posts/facebook forums, ask questions to clarify anything you don't understand, watch videos, and once you know more then start thinking about low risk tweaks. You will pick up a lot during your first 2.5mg pen.

Example of low risk tweaks - click counting to take a lower dose, using the 5th dose and perhaps going a couple of days over the 30 days

Examples of stupid tweaks - injecting more often than the 7 day schedule regularly without discussing with your provider (especially when going up doses - someone ended up in hospital with that one), going weeks beyond the 30 day rule, not staying on a new higher dose strength for the full 4 weeks, buying dispensing tools off amazon (instead of syringes off a medical supplier), using any needle more than once.

MJ is a long journey, you have only just stepped on the path, be patient and don't start throwing the paving stones around just yet.

Right. Thanks for that. There is useful information in your post, but delivering it a way that is THIS patronising - and seriously, opening with 'to be frank'? - negates the positives for me.

I asked a simple question about the possibility of dosing a day early. I asked if anyone had done this. I'm not doing it. The end. However many annoying newbie questions you have undoubtedly rolled your eyes at, this was MY first and I would politely request that you stop projecting your evident annoyance at all of the painful idiots you have to deal with onto me.

You and the other 'abrupt' posters - the ones who thought calling me silly/ridiculous/etc was helpful - have successfully put me off ever asking a bloody question here again. Nice work.

I'm hiding the thread now. Have a pleasant day.

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NoTouch · 29/10/2024 14:21

You are taking it way to personally @Trainier, doing that and overreacting doesn't help you.

Whether you liked it or not, anyone describing your suggestion as reckless and irresponsible was accurate. No-one knows you, they are commenting on your suggestion.

Good luck on your MJ journey and do keep asking questions, especially before you do anything outside the standard instructions to understand the risk, noone wants anyone to harm themselves. Just don't take it personally.

Mydogisnuts · 29/10/2024 14:38

OP, I'm really sorry your thread ended like this for you. I don't think putting new users off asking questions reflects very well on the forums, despite posters' probable intentions.

I think, as a community, we really need to find a way to help new users kindly, without making them feel attacked and patronised.

It's literally the third time I've seen an OP chased away by 'abrupt' advice in 3 days, and imo it's escalating, as more users join up.

It's not enough to say 'don't take it personally' imo. People turning to MJ are likely to be familiar with unwanted judgement, feeling a bit scared, a bit excited, and full of questions to help their journey be successful. Getting judged and treated like an idiot here must feel like the last thing they need.

I'm sure I've posted thoughtlessly at some point, thinking I was helping, we all do. I just think giving helpful information kindly, without the judgement and attacks, should be what we aim for.

You'll probably not see this OP, but if you do, please don't stop asking questions!

SunQueen24 · 29/10/2024 15:17

@Mydogisnuts i too have sensed a judgemental tone from posters for their use of MJ. As though people using MJ haven’t spent enough of their lives being judged already.

TheBoldHelper · 29/10/2024 15:32

I’m a little on the fence. As much as the tone was a little patronising, I think the poster makes a valid point.

im seeing so much of this, people messing with their doses, their days, taking more than they should, quicker than they should, and they then complain when they get sick. Or even though we are told to eat healthy, people eating crap then blaming the medicine. Someone posted about their McDonald’s, burger, chips, milk shake, straight after toast, then complained they had gut aches and the runs. People wanting to make the drug do all the heavy lifting, going for total suppression. People under eating and starving themselves.

this is serious medicine, it is not just something you buy down Superdrug to take the edge off, we don’t do it with other meds, so why do it with this. The should I just take a bit more, should be frowned on and op you’re in your first week.

so I’m on the fence because I think it needs to be said. There is serious medical complications for some on this drug and the dosing schedule it there to minimise risk. The medicine has use by dates like any drug after opening. Taking old and unstable medication could be fine, until it’s not and you end up in hospital. The idea is not total suppression, it is to help you manage cravings and over eating so you can diet successfully,