Revolted by seeing others eat meat

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I am struggling with this a little, and wondering how to deal with it.

I am just starting being vegan with veganuary, but have been a lifelong veggie. Never eaten meat and have no desire to. The idea of eating flesh disgusts me.

I however realise that others have different beliefs and respect that. I don't expect others to be veggie around me.

Last night I went out with a friend for dinner. He got a huge plate of meat (pretty much 2 dead birds) and was pulling apart at it with fingers. The smell and sight was revolting for me. I didn't say anything or do anything as I don't think it would have been right, but honestly it bothered me a lot, and it is still bothering me the next day.

Any idea how I can best manage this? I accept most of my friends aren't veggie. Should I not go out for dinner with them? Is it acceptable to suggest veggie places?

"Since the 1970s the diet of the Eskimo has contained high levels of toxic, organic pollutants and heavy metals. These lipophilic chemicals are attracted to and concentrated in the fatty-tissues of land and sea animals. As a direct result of the traditional Eskimo diet (now contaminated by industry wastes), the bodies of these Arctic people contain the highest human concentrations of environmental chemicals found anywhere on Earth: “levels so extreme that the breast milk and tissues of some Greenlanders could be classified as hazardous waste.” Eskimo women have been found to have levels of PCBs in their breast milk five to ten times higher than women in southern Canada. These chemicals cause and promote many forms of cancer and cause brain diseases, including Parkinson’s disease."

If we were not designed to eat meat, the Inuit would have died out centuries ago. The fact that they haven’t, proves human beings are designed to be omnivores.

Ditto the B12 issue.

I cannot understand such a barefaced denial of scientific, biological and historical facts. It makes a total nonsense of everything you say, in my view.

Thing is @peggy2467 is using emotive language might get people's attention but only in so far that they find it extremely offensive - especially with some of the analogies you cite and the frankly quite racist undertones of your last post.

Equally your propensity to state total bullshit with utter conviction results in the "debate" being about your choice of language, lack of knowledge, derision of other people's views (especially when pointing out the inaccuracies of some of your "facts") and wilful offensiveness as opposed the merits of the cause you say you are trying to further.

You're approach, as such, doesn't help - it's actually a distraction and is, quite frankly the source of so many of the vegan jokes that within the wider community perpetuate the notion that Veganism is a lifestyle choice, is the sole purview of the virtue signalling activist who relishes the sound of their own voice and ineffectual, offensive confrontation more than their ideology.

If you and your friends find that funny then I think you really need to question your own commitment to your values.

SDTG Do you know where animals get their B12 from?
B12 is produced by bacteria found in soil as well as in the guts of animals (including humans) - but in order for the bacteria to make B12 the soil needs to contain the mineral cobalt. The B12 produced within our guts is too far down our digestive system to be absorbed by our body but is excreted in our feces.
Whereas gorillas get their b12 through accidentally eating soil.
This is because B12 is found in soil, so the only reason humans get b12 through animal consumption is due to them consuming it through soil intake.
Humans wash their veg too much, this in turn removes the B12.
Soil quality has also declined due to over-farming, reducing the amount of cobalt, making it essential for farmers to feed animals a B12 supplement, just like humans.
Did you know around 95% of B12 supplements produced are fed to animals, not humans?! so the only reason you get b12 from animal consumption is because they received it as a supplement! ironic, isn't it........makes more sense to just take a B12 supplement and avoid the killing.

You use emotive language to get people's attention well I suppose it works can't imagine it gets people to listen to you much. Have you ever being to a farm? A slaughterhouse? Read actual welfare legislation not just PETA? You call farmers rapists that is not just emotive language it's offensive to rape victims and farmers. "Insular communities" I'm presuming you mean different cultures who beliefs date back centuries or did you mean to sound racist.
You know when people moan about vegans it's cause of people like you. You claim to be educated but still spout absolute rubbish. You have no real idea about biology, farming or welfare.
You think you can preach to people and look down on them. I have spent my entire life caring for animals, I understand the many facets of animal welfare, sustainable farming etc. Yet you think that because I eat meat (not everyday and from local farms I may add) that I don't care about animals. Try understanding and compassion for people and you might get people to listen to you.

Can I ask a question to Vegans? Do you keep pets like cats and dogs? If yes how do you feel about the food that you feed them. I'm genuinely asking as I can't wrap my head around it. Or are pets an unnecessary thing for vegans?
Sorry if thats derailing the thread

Inuit peoples health_" Mummified remains of Eskimos dating back 2,000 years

There is a big clue here as to the effectiveness of the Inuit diet

Peggy, you may well be right about B12, but given the horseshit you have spouted on this thread I can't be arsed to even check if you are correct or just making it up as you go along.

Just because Inuit people have no option but to kill animals does not make it okay.

But the alternative is that Inuit people would die out? Would that be a better option? If not, surely that makes them eating animals 'okay'?

@Cannotmakemymindup
This is a really good question and a super interesting topic of discussion.
I have a gorgeous cocker spaniel and when i was given her (by a friend who's dog got pregnant), I was not vegan, then after becoming vegan I continued to buy my dog chicken every week!
After a few months it kind of hit me how hypocritical I was being.
So, I did some research and discovered pets can thrive on a vegan diet! this really surprised me as I thought it would be a difficult thing to do.
my dog is now vegan and healthier than ever! she eats things like broccoli, lentils, rice, peas etc.. and LOVES it. No more dry kibbles!
There are also some fab vegan dog food brands, hope this helped answer your question.

B12 is synthesised mainly by bacteria. It is found in soil where grazing animals pick it up. However it is also produced in the digestive system of many animals and ruminant animals can absorb it due to the make up of their digestive system. Rabbits etc absorb it by eating the soft pellets that they excrete which allow the b12 to be absorbed easier. I imagine carnivores get it by eating other animals although I am unsure as I have not read up on it.
I doubt that most animals are supplemented it as highly as she says as it is naturally occurring and things like clams, crab and fish eggs are high in b12 and I doubt they take many supplements.

Dogs are carnivores.

So....the bedrock of your argument against humans eating meat is that you believe they are herbivores, based on dentition/stomach enzymes/other physical features

but you are happy to put an obligate carnivore on a vegan diet and keep it as a prisoner pet

the cognitive dissonance here is making me dizzy

Thanks @peggy2467 I really have been wondering. Also i have always understood dogs and cats etc to be carnivore so an i surprised they can eat vegan.

Vegans like Peggy are the reason that lots of people don't want to listen to Vegans. Spouting shit and backing it up with a Biology A Level and PETA 😂

Have you had your dog checked for protein deficiency? Vitamin d? Dogs can't absorb vitamin d through their skin like we can cause you know fur!! So they need it from their diet, are you supplementing It? What about taurine? I think spaniels have trouble synthesizing taurine unlike other dogs

Dogs don't need meat as much because they can synthesise certain amino acids naturally however cats cannot a vegan diet will kill a cat. Please don't feed cats vegan food and expect them to live happy lives, the likely outcome will be a heart attack due to starvation

"we also are not designed to eat meat"

Another inaccuracy.

I hardly ever eat meat these days, but your haranguing posts are making me crave a nice, juicy steak. Surely you must realise by now that your aggressive rants are getting you nowhere. You can't expect people on here to take your tirades seriously.

Now, if David Attenborough were to come on here and give a measured explanation why we should reduce our meat consumption then people will listen.

"Also i have always understood dogs and cats etc to be carnivore so an i surprised they can eat vegan."

No they can't, cats especially
Can anyone see the irony in that? Feeding cats a vegan diet is cruel.

Thanks for your concern @dazedandconfuzzled,
Yes, my dog has been checked for all of the above.
Before introducing a vegan diet she was malnourished due to being an extremely fussy eater (just like all cocker spaniels!).
On occasion she would go days without eating as she did not get on with eating an omnivorous diet.
Since transitioning to a vegan diet she has become fit, healthy and now gets excited before meals.
We did also have a consultation with the vet before eliminating animal products from her diet as obviously I would only want the best for an animal such as my pet.
I don't have a cat, nor do I intend on ever having one (too whiney in my opinion), but i do understand they are inherently carnivores and are not built for a herbivorous lifestyle.

@LoniceraJaponica, As you can see in my reply, I never mentioned cats.

I definitely see the irony, that is why I have wanted to understand the vegans perspective on pets diets. Especially as animals like cats and dogs often eating the (processed) meat off-cuts humans unable to, as I understand it. Which is less wasteful.
I have at least one friend who is vegan and I cannot wrap my head around many of the ethos. Mainly due to things like B12, omega 3, iodine, pets, problems with soya production.

Since transitioning to a vegan diet she has become fit, healthy and now gets excited before meals.

Wow, fancy that - a dog belonging to a rampant vegan, becoming excited at vegan meals. I supposed you will tell us now that dogs aren't designed to eat meat?

Not even biology A level
I would hope even my very weakest borderline E/U students know that the human stomach is not pH 4/5 and that the purpose of the hydrochloric acid in the stomach is not to digest meat but to kill bacteria and provide optimum conditions for the hydrolysis of proteins by endopeptidases.

So you understand that both dogs and cats are carnivores because of their digestive system and dentition but you think humans are herbivores? And before you say that yes but dogs can survive on a vegan diet with management I understand that but in terms of their digestion they are carnivores. Humans can survive on a vegan diet with management and supplements but according to our dentition and digestive system we are omnivores not herbivores. If you can understand one why not the other?