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TellMeAgainPleaseAndThankYou · Yesterday 09:46

TellMeAgainPleaseAndThankYou · 10/08/2026 21:53

Here’s the video

https://x.com/thenowherephoto/status/2086510550297489477

Probably an AI generated video…just thought I’d get in first

@Imdunfer is this the video you want to see? You should be able to see this without an X account.

Oscillating · Yesterday 10:41

Cardemomle · 10/08/2026 20:09

Oh, is there a queue?. I didn't realise.

So I guess that's a no, you wouldn't foster or adopt any of these stolen children...

Cardemomle · Yesterday 10:44

Oscillating · Yesterday 10:41

So I guess that's a no, you wouldn't foster or adopt any of these stolen children...

Edited

You have no idea about my personal life or what I have been engaged with.
HTH.

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StepawayfromtheLindors · Yesterday 11:10

ohfook · Yesterday 09:32

This is a genuine question so I hope it doesn’t come across wrong. But imagine that this government was overturned in the next couple of months and anyone who had helped them was now in danger of being put to death and you had to move your family quickly (obviously you can imagine a different scenario if you want I’m just using one I know of) and you needed to move your family to safety asap and it’s going to cost you thousands. Would you genuinely spend thousands and just go to the first country that would take you or would you go to one where you spoke the language so you had the best chance of earning money and making a life there?

It just seems like a no brainer to me. I’d get to somewhere I could build a life. However I can’t imagine putting my kids on a dinghy but if we were in a pinch I’d definitely stick my husband on one to go ahead of us and hope he’d figure something out.

But many don’t speak much English

parallolo · Yesterday 11:14

The UK is one of the few European countries that does not have a National Identity card system. Ireland is another, and that country is also the recipient of many seeking asylum. So I'm thinking it is easier to disappear and get up to all sorts if you are untraceable really. That must be a big factor in wanting to leave France for example.

That's not saying they all want to be here for nefarious purposes, but realistically, if you can afford to pay a trafficker thousands to get on a flimsy dinghy, leave your family behind but keep your phone, well to me that's not indicating immediate danger from anything. Even though there are no ID cards in UK, I suppose they are asked for "papers" now and then, but the problem is, that approach is often decried by many as racial profiling so what next?.

Imdunfer · Yesterday 12:12

TellMeAgainPleaseAndThankYou · Yesterday 09:46

@Imdunfer is this the video you want to see? You should be able to see this without an X account.

Excellent thank you, it happened just as I suggested. I don't believe that's AI, The Times would have checked its source.

mydogisthebest · Yesterday 12:37

ohfook · Yesterday 09:32

This is a genuine question so I hope it doesn’t come across wrong. But imagine that this government was overturned in the next couple of months and anyone who had helped them was now in danger of being put to death and you had to move your family quickly (obviously you can imagine a different scenario if you want I’m just using one I know of) and you needed to move your family to safety asap and it’s going to cost you thousands. Would you genuinely spend thousands and just go to the first country that would take you or would you go to one where you spoke the language so you had the best chance of earning money and making a life there?

It just seems like a no brainer to me. I’d get to somewhere I could build a life. However I can’t imagine putting my kids on a dinghy but if we were in a pinch I’d definitely stick my husband on one to go ahead of us and hope he’d figure something out.

I can hand on heart say I would stay in a country like France that is safe rather than cross the sea in a small boat.

It's not that difficult to learn a language (plenty of people don't bother learning English who live here do they?).

Me and DH lived in France for a while and managed to get jobs even before we could speak more than a couple of words of French. There are loads of English living there and lots of French people can speak English.

TellMeAgainPleaseAndThankYou · Yesterday 12:55

TellMeAgainPleaseAndThankYou · Yesterday 09:41

I think we can all understand why people from developing countries might want to come to the UK. Not really sure why an in depth understanding of the UKs colonial past is needed tbh to grasp this. The issue is not why people want to come but why our government is allowing hundreds upon hundreds of young men from these countries to arrive on our shores each week.

I’m not buying the “We had an empire so unlimited immigration from Africa is inevitable” line.

Just to add, I think it’s very interesting that some people are so ready to accept and propagate the “unlimited immigration is a natural and inevitable consequence of colonialism and there are no choices to be made about it” line as some sort of obvious and unquestionable law of nature.

In my view there are two types of people who offer this explanation. One is people who are happy to see white people made the minority in their countries (as in not just neutral about this but positively pleased) and use this line to try to guilt white people into accepting this. Many of these people are non-white (Mehdi Hasan is a major proponent of this line, but he forgets himself from time to time and tips over into gloating and letting on he sees it as punishment for the sins of our white ancestors) but there are also some white people who for political reasons are happy too. These people don’t believe the line, but it’s a useful tool for them.

The second group are those I mentioned earlier, who can see what is happening in front of their eyes but don’t want to face the reality that we are heading into totally unknown territory. No-one really knows how “multiculturalism” will turn out, with previously fairly homogeneous white countries facing mass immigration at an unprecedented rate (outwith invasion or colonisation). No-one knows how the conflict between Western values and Islam will unfold or what life will be like for our descendants when white people are a small minority. These people seek an explanation for what is happening which is benign and natural and unstoppable. It helps them to feel comfortable to believe this so they don’t question its flaws as an explanation (eg why is Ireland facing the same levels of immigration as England for example? Ireland has no colonialist past. Why does the fact people from previously colonised countries want to come here mean we must accept them, regardless of the effect on our country? Why are we getting high numbers of people from countries with no colonialist link to the UK? etc).

EmeraldRoulette · Yesterday 13:07

Cardemomle · Yesterday 08:57

Although I think you have many good points, @ohfook, you are misinformed about the History curriculum in state schools. It does indeed cover colonialism, the British Empire and the Transatlantic Slave Trade. So please don't blame teachers for this.
Your other points are valid.

Does it cover the fact of other nations having slaves and the fact that we ended it? Don’t the other nations in Africa have a much bigger total slaveholding than the UK does?

QforCucumber · Yesterday 13:31

the issue isn't the immediate process though, @RainbowRoadshow is correct in how that all works and explains it far more eloquently than I ever could, the main problem is after that moment - many countries do no share data with the UK, so we have no way of knowing if those applicants have criminal records/has asylum granted elsewhere/are wanted for any crimes. At the moment the UK takes over 18 months from making the claim to asylum being granted, this allows 18 months for those who want to, to disappear under the radar - and when over 2,000 people a week are arriving it's not hard to see how the majority aren't always genuine.

There is the case of the Albanian man who arrived as an unaccompanied child under a false name, later committed a crime here but fought deportation under human rights grounds because of his sons sensory issues, made huge headlines because one of the arguments was his sons needs meant he could only eat chicken nuggets available here, so Daddy can commit crimes under no threat of recourse because human rights say his son and mum need him here with them to help with his sensory needs.

There was a celebratory post a few days ago on X from someone in gov't regarding how no boats had arrived in 2/3 days (i cant remember it exactly) as if it was a government success - the actual reason was the weather the waves were too high and wind too much and so they didn't travel.

Its not at all surprising how many of us have lost faith in the system anymore, when more people than are in my towns population can arrive in the country and disappear in the space of a single month, and it's happening every month, year on year with no let up.

Cardemomle · Yesterday 15:20

EmeraldRoulette · Yesterday 13:07

Does it cover the fact of other nations having slaves and the fact that we ended it? Don’t the other nations in Africa have a much bigger total slaveholding than the UK does?

Yes, indeed. We look at the origins, from the Arab traders and African traders and then the development of the Triangular Trade. Rest assured that it is accurate and evidence is used to support learning.

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Oscillating · Yesterday 15:24

Cardemomle · Yesterday 10:44

You have no idea about my personal life or what I have been engaged with.
HTH.

I don't need to .... You didn't even pretend to say you would consider it or that you currently foster or adopt.

🤷

So yeah, let's have state sanctioned stealing of babies from their parents and out them into care for someone else to look after.... That's gonna go well, just like it did historically.

Cardemomle · Yesterday 15:31

Oscillating · Yesterday 15:24

I don't need to .... You didn't even pretend to say you would consider it or that you currently foster or adopt.

🤷

So yeah, let's have state sanctioned stealing of babies from their parents and out them into care for someone else to look after.... That's gonna go well, just like it did historically.

I'm not giving to stoop to your level with the nasty personal attacks.
Just leave it.

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Oscillating · Yesterday 16:47

Cardemomle · Yesterday 15:31

I'm not giving to stoop to your level with the nasty personal attacks.
Just leave it.

Pretty sure you're the same OP that suggested that it's good idea to take these children away to somewhere unknown and you never said you'd be willing to adopt or foster these stolen children 🤷

If you don't like personal attacks maybe don't spout / agree with such awful ideas as state sponsored kidnapping and shoving them into an already overwhelmed and ineffective care system in a foreign country away from their parents???

Cardemomle · Yesterday 16:55

Oscillating · Yesterday 16:47

Pretty sure you're the same OP that suggested that it's good idea to take these children away to somewhere unknown and you never said you'd be willing to adopt or foster these stolen children 🤷

If you don't like personal attacks maybe don't spout / agree with such awful ideas as state sponsored kidnapping and shoving them into an already overwhelmed and ineffective care system in a foreign country away from their parents???

🙄

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whoopsnomore · Yesterday 18:38

MagicThanks · 10/08/2026 21:05

I understand that, but what I mean is - if a person has no valid claim to asylum, then they have no access to any financial support or housing from the state. So why would they come here unless they have a genuine claim to asylum? Are they being misinformed?

Because their life prospects in their home country are so miserable and dangerous that it is worth a try? They have links/ connections family (often due to historical colonial influence of Britain overseas during "Empire") I think around 85% of claims are granted

AndyKitten · Yesterday 18:53

whoopsnomore · Yesterday 18:38

Because their life prospects in their home country are so miserable and dangerous that it is worth a try? They have links/ connections family (often due to historical colonial influence of Britain overseas during "Empire") I think around 85% of claims are granted

Why don’t they make their countries a better place for themselves and their families?

They are clearly enterprising, why won’t they channel that in a way that will benefit their community and their country? Better their prospects there?

KittyCorncrake · Yesterday 19:01

AndyKitten · Yesterday 18:53

Why don’t they make their countries a better place for themselves and their families?

They are clearly enterprising, why won’t they channel that in a way that will benefit their community and their country? Better their prospects there?

Because that would take actual effort rather than sitting back and taking the free house/healthcare and education for as many kids as they want/pension…
Much better to live here with descendants of evil colonialists, who attempted to help them civilize those places, than actual lift a finger thenselves.

Unblushingly · Yesterday 19:02

AndyKitten · Yesterday 18:53

Why don’t they make their countries a better place for themselves and their families?

They are clearly enterprising, why won’t they channel that in a way that will benefit their community and their country? Better their prospects there?

Let me see — for the same reason that someone at the bottom of the socio-economic rankings in Middlesbrough or Jaywick, doesn’t magically have the wherewithal to ‘make the UK a better place for them and their family’?

AndyKitten · Yesterday 19:07

Unblushingly · Yesterday 19:02

Let me see — for the same reason that someone at the bottom of the socio-economic rankings in Middlesbrough or Jaywick, doesn’t magically have the wherewithal to ‘make the UK a better place for them and their family’?

It’s not magic.

Its work.

And the people from Middlesbrough are not crossing the channel to France.

AndyKitten · Yesterday 19:11

Unblushingly · Yesterday 19:02

Let me see — for the same reason that someone at the bottom of the socio-economic rankings in Middlesbrough or Jaywick, doesn’t magically have the wherewithal to ‘make the UK a better place for them and their family’?

And it’s really patronising, the way you put it.

You don’t believe they have the wherewithal to do it?

Why?

You don’t trust their capabilities and their dedication?

Why not?

Dogsarethebestfriends · Yesterday 19:23

Monty36 · 10/08/2026 16:45

Am not sure why but I do wonder if the photo is actually real. It is these days a question we have to ask.
I hope not.

Oh come on ! That photo is so obviously faked !🤣 The bottle is floating in mid air ! 🤣

TellMeAgainPleaseAndThankYou · Yesterday 21:05

Dogsarethebestfriends · Yesterday 19:23

Oh come on ! That photo is so obviously faked !🤣 The bottle is floating in mid air ! 🤣

Why are you pretending the video isn’t available for all to see,

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Yesterday 21:19

Made me smile today when I read that the new PM is saying middle class areas need to take their fair share of asylum seekers as they can’t keep putting them in working class areas (I assume the liberals are less inclined to riot). Will be very interesting to see how all the Labour voters like it once they take ‘their share’ in their leafy suburbs.

likelysuspect · Yesterday 21:38

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Yesterday 21:19

Made me smile today when I read that the new PM is saying middle class areas need to take their fair share of asylum seekers as they can’t keep putting them in working class areas (I assume the liberals are less inclined to riot). Will be very interesting to see how all the Labour voters like it once they take ‘their share’ in their leafy suburbs.

How is that going to happen given government sourced accommodation is as cheap as possible so its not going to be in affluent areas?

The reason people without recourse to very much are placed in cheap/poor areas is because accommodation is cheaper/poor condition that cant be used for much else.