Are you boycotting Lush?

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I am, but wondered what the rest of you think of their decision to support Hunt Sabs - feel it is on a par with any other terrorist group personally. Should probably do a link but iPhone is behaving badly at the moment.

spent my £100 in there today

made sure i commended their support of the saboteurs personally

cannot help but think that unfortunately some people have more money than sense........................

I have got to leave this thread. It is so depressing

it's interesting, the strength of feeling, which I think someone else has already commented on - either on this thread or the other

even if some of the anti-hunting people are slightly missing the point it's been thought provoking!

sorry that is probably too personal.

My apologies

It isn't about level of sense though, is it?

If I had £100 and wanted to buy Lush products, I would. This is because I agree with their support of the Hunt Sabs. I agree with it because I truly believe hunting is a cruel and unnecessary sport. I have applied both my sense and experience of rural living to this belief and no matter which way you twist it, chasing a fox around with a pack of hounds is both cruel and unnecessary, and I will not ever support the opposing veiwpoint.

I respect anyone's right to not like hunting, I contribute financially to organisations that are very anti like RSPB and the Wildlife Trusts because I am keen on other things that they do and, hunting aside, am broadly in favour of their aims and objectives. Am never going to view hunt sabs in a warm, fuzzy light because (and they may well be a minority) of the way some of them conduct their protests. I know someone who was assaulted when she wasn't hunting, or anywhere near a hunt - in fact it was in summer - simply for displaying a Countryside Alliance sticker in her car. It's this sort of behaviour that lets their side down, and can't possibly have its roots in any sort of humane or civilised interest. Just thuggery for the sake of it.

cazboldy it was a jest - read the thread

I don't think people who are anti-hunting are missing the point. Although it's a good line to take, rhetorically, when you're defending the indefensible.

Christmas shopping now done at Lush online, & accompanying email sent commending their action.

some of them are, slightly, missing my point about hunt sabs disrupting lawful hunting activities

Well, my take on that would be that there shouldn't be any lawful hunting activities.

Can't you all take up steeplechasing instead? Lots of lovely gallopy gallopy.

ravenAK

ravenAK - love your posts You've said what I think, only more eloquently.

I'm a townie who's lived in the countryside for 29 years. I have learned a bit, I suppose, and can appreciate the 'countryside' perspective (although it's a Countryside Alliance myth that all country folk, agree with hunting, as we've seen here. AS has been said, it doesn't take a huge crowd to catch a fox - they do it for fun, no more no less. I've had a couple of hair-raising encounters with a hunt when I was out dog-walking - not nice if you're on foot and you accidentally get in their way. I have also seen disorientated hounds straying onto a dual carriageway, with the hunt galloping away in the distance - horrible.

I knew a hunt sab who was a nutter. He was young, and hot-headed. Some are, maybe you get like that when you mix with people with very strong views, and people egg each other on. On the other hand, many hunt sabs are little old ladies out to monitor illegal activity - imo it takes some bravery to stand up to a crowd of people on horseback.

And I totally agree with the person who said that a 'clever' human can keep his/her chickens safe from foxes - they are clever but they can't pick a padlock!

One further point about foxes - my ILs live in an area that grows a lot of cereal crops. There is a lot of damage from rabbits, but hardly any foxes. They do have their uses, you know!

raven - sorry to pick on you, but I'm curious now about your post of 21:52... Are you saying that some hunters are breaking the law so the hunt sabs are justified in doing likewise to bring them in line, or are you saying that its OK for the sabs to do whatever they like to stop people hunting in any way shape or form (even if the hunters are staying 100% on the right side of the current legislation)? Or have I completely misinterpreted ?

Can I just clarify, I've lived in the countryside for 19 years, not 29 - makes me sound very long in the tooth!

Hi Tangle.

No, I think that hunting foxes with dogs shouldn't be going on. The current legislation should be tightened up, & frankly, I've seen a fair bit of evidence to suggest that some hunts are quietly ignoring the rules anyway. At least when they think no-one's watching them.

So I think that the Sabs' work is valuable in a) monitoring what the buggers are up to b) demonstrating in order to keep the issue in the public eye & c) doing what they can to improve the odds for the fox (hunting horns & lemon oil & what have you).

I don't condone violence, abusive behaviour or damage to property; that sort of thing can safely be left to the Hunt.

Thanks for replying - that makes more sense now . I can see where you're coming from, but I can also see why a hunt that is genuinely trying to stay within the legislation (for all its flaws - how anyone is supposed to know exactly what's legal and what's not is beyond me) would get frustrated with the actions that you think are acceptable for sabs. And once that kind of thing has been going on a regular basis for years its no suprise that things can sometimes degenerate into violence and abuse from either side.

I do wonder whether, if the only way the public maintain any interest or concern about hunting is through sab action, how high on the public agenda it is.

OK, this is interesting. I saw the publicity in Lush on Saturday when I went to get my Fresh Farmacy soap.

I do NOT support the ban on hunting, but whatever my feelings on the matter, it is the law, and should be upheld. No one should be above the law, IMO.

If hunts are acting outside the law, they should be pulled up on it and dealt with appropriately.

however, the hunts I know are acting strictly within the law. They have taken legal advice to make sure that they are acting with in the law. One i know of uses a golden eagle to kill the fox.

If hunt sabs are targetting hunts that are acting legally then I do not support this!

Not sure if I am going to boycott Lush though... I wont be buying their special fox paw print soap or signing any petitions.

I used to buy Lush products until I found out how ethical they really are.
How can they call themselves ethical when they support oppressive regiems of Saudi Arabia and Sri Lanka by having a presence in these countries.
All I can say is FLUSH LUSH!!!