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Can stables weigh my daughter rather than accept my word?

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TheQuaintLemonDuck · 06/04/2026 14:46

Are stables entitled to weigh my daughter rather than just take my word for it?

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maxelly · 07/04/2026 13:52

I don't think much more needs to be said about the weighing - I'd only add that I'm surprised the riding school will guarantee/ promise her to ride a particular pony even if she isn't too heavy. It's the biggest nightmare matching horses to riders (not just appropriate weight/height but workload, abilities and confidence too), at every school I've been involved in there's a constantly moving and delicate equation of which horses are a bit lame or off colour this week, which are too fresh or need remedial schooling and can't have beginners or nervous people on, which riders need a step up or challenge and which need something super quiet/safe, that there's simply no room for promising kids they can definitely have a particular pony for pony week, even if there's no issue whatsoever with them fitting on the pony physically. The schools I know apply the 'no requests, no preference' rule pretty strictly because even if the child's favourite pony happens to be a less in-demand one you don't want to be (seen to be) treating one child (or parent!) differently to another or allowing wriggle/negotiation room. But hey ho, everywhere is different I guess.

And as for the 'schools should just have horses to fit every size' argument, I just don't think it works in the modern era. Even assuming you can fairly accurately tell someone's weight by eyeballing (which I personally can't), I just don't think riding schools can feasibly keep enough of a stock of big horses to fit the number of big(ger) people who want to ride these days. I think it would be fair as a finger in the air estimate to say that many women who would like to take up riding as a beginner weigh in the region of 13stone (say 80kg). That's not someone who would be obviously obese to the naked eye, they would probably look quite average and wouldn't be very far into the 'overweight' BMI calculator if they're quite tall. Add 12kg for clothing, body protector, hat and tack (conservative estimate) and you need a 625-650kg horse - and I would say that's really a bare, bare minimum, the 15% 'rule' is a guide and a maximum not a vague indication, a lot of people say it should be closer to 20% especially for beginner riders who may be more unbalanced and where carrying a heavier rider is the majority of the horse's work. So you are looking at a 16.2hh+ draft type horse - horses of that type suitable for a beginner rider are very, very expensive to buy and keep, to the point where most people absolutely couldn't afford what lessons would cost if it reflected the price of that horse. Of course some schools do have these types on their 'roster', many would have at least one good solid weight carrier but the trouble is (a) if the one horse you have for that client group goes lame or becomes unavailable or simply unsuitable for that rider for other reasons you have to let clients down (b) as the horse will have cost you so much at the outset and are hard to replace you're inclined to be particularly careful to look after them well and (c) if you don't have a weight limit or even have the option to weigh people and start letting anyone ride including people who actually weigh more like 14-15 stone (again hardly exceptional these days), then you have more and more clients for fewer and fewer suitable horses. It just makes so much more commercial sense to keep a stable full of easy keeping 14.2 - 15.2 cobs and natives and cater mainly for children/teens and small/ light weight adults. Sucks for the heavier people, I know, I've been that heavier person, but welfare considerations aside it's just commercial reality...

Balloonhearts · 07/04/2026 15:31

It's the biggest nightmare matching horses to riders (not just appropriate weight/height but workload, abilities and confidence too), at every school I've been involved in there's a constantly moving and delicate equation of which horses are a bit lame or off colour this week, which are too fresh or need remedial schooling and can't have beginners or nervous people on, which riders need a step up or challenge and which need something super quiet/safe.

This a million times over. God, it gives me a headache.

exaltedwombat · 07/04/2026 17:59

Myfridgeiscool · 06/04/2026 14:52

The welfare of the horse is the highest priority here.

Now, don't be silly. The horse's welfare matters, but the human rider's safety matters a lot more.

Lyraloo · 07/04/2026 18:01

Why are you worried? Were you lying!

pinkyredrose · 07/04/2026 18:01

exaltedwombat · 07/04/2026 17:59

Now, don't be silly. The horse's welfare matters, but the human rider's safety matters a lot more.

No the horses matter more, they can't speak for themselves, they need to be looked after.

Blondeshavemorefun · 07/04/2026 18:02

TheQuaintLemonDuck · 06/04/2026 15:09

Pony camp that DD has been on before and wants the same pony as last year they've said they'll weigh all the kids and check that's ok

Makes sense. If a child is larger /too heavy for the smaller pony then they could get hurt

kids /teens weight does change and 6mths could be a huge diff

esp as you said dd looks bigger then before

why didn’t you weigh her when filled the form in - instead of guessing /using an old weight

Quizzer123 · 07/04/2026 18:02

Yes the stables insurance policy will demand it

Dawnb19 · 07/04/2026 18:09

Unfortunately you do that that one parent that would lie and say their child is lighter than they are just to get their child on a horse. It's best they treat everyone the same and just weigh them all.

ThePoliteLion · 07/04/2026 18:20

Not a hill for you to die on. Of course stables are entitled to check a rider’s weight.

Pheebs87 · 07/04/2026 18:29

TheQuaintLemonDuck · 06/04/2026 16:58

where do you see this??

Every show I've ever been to has this. As much as you don't want to hear it your daughter might be too big to ride ANY horse at this point. Lying so she can cause a horse pain and discomfort is actually disgusting. You know she's put on weight, viscerally as you have put it so she may be too big to ride full stop. That could then be a reason for her to deal with her weight gain..... She shouldn't be riding if she's too heavy. End of discussion.

TooManyAnimals94 · 07/04/2026 18:50

I freelance at a riding school one night a week. I walked in to find the manager had taken the numbers out of the scales and replaced them with the ponies' names. I.e if you're between 8-10 stone, you're in the Wizard zone but heavier and you're in the Mouse zone.

I have to say I rolled my eyes pretty hard that this is deemed necessary...also a complete faff whenever they get new horses.

But apparently said manager had been on a CPD day where it was suggested all riding schools should do this to prevent arguments about horse suitability and hurty feelings.

IamMaz · 07/04/2026 18:51

I can’t get this image of plump Thelwellian ponies and riders out of my head now!!!

jdb9803 · 07/04/2026 18:55

TheQuaintLemonDuck · 06/04/2026 14:54

who would lie if it was for the pony's good?!

If you are telling the truth what’s the problem with them weighing her - will be the same result

hcee19 · 07/04/2026 18:59

Stables do do this, they match up the correct horse to the weight of the person. Why are you so offended by this? Do you think they should change the rules , for you. You are making an issue out of nothing, l would tell you to look elsewhere for lessons, you could be trouble...

CombatBarbie · 07/04/2026 19:14

RandomMess · 06/04/2026 14:51

I hope you aren’t the mother of the daughter that didn’t want her DD in a big horse when she needs one due to her weight.

Was literally just going to write this!!!

FluffMagnet · 07/04/2026 19:28

TheQuaintLemonDuck · 06/04/2026 16:58

where do you see this??

Take a quick look on any equine pages on facebook, local shows, hacking out ... If you don't see it then you are not capable of assessing weight carrying ability.

6 months ago is far too long to be an accurate record, and your answers are of the surly variety. If you do not own the animal, you have to comply with the rules of the owner and see they are acting in its best interests OR your DD takes up a new sport that doesn't require accurate weight declarations for safety reasons.

pinkyredrose · 07/04/2026 19:35

IamMaz · 07/04/2026 18:51

I can’t get this image of plump Thelwellian ponies and riders out of my head now!!!

I loved those!

Allergictoironing · 07/04/2026 20:02

I notice the OP has gone awfully quiet for the last day or so.

Maybe a few of us were a bit close to the mark with comments?

pollymere · 07/04/2026 20:12

It means you can get an appropriate horse.

celticprincess · 07/04/2026 23:18

Her height also needs measuring which I suspect will have also changed in 6 months.

My DD rides weekly and we get reminded every few months to update height and weight. Weight includes all riding clothing as well - hat, boots, body protector etc.

celticprincess · 07/04/2026 23:23

TooManyAnimals94 · 07/04/2026 18:50

I freelance at a riding school one night a week. I walked in to find the manager had taken the numbers out of the scales and replaced them with the ponies' names. I.e if you're between 8-10 stone, you're in the Wizard zone but heavier and you're in the Mouse zone.

I have to say I rolled my eyes pretty hard that this is deemed necessary...also a complete faff whenever they get new horses.

But apparently said manager had been on a CPD day where it was suggested all riding schools should do this to prevent arguments about horse suitability and hurty feelings.

My DD’s riding school do similar but with colours for certain weight zones and then a list of ponies and horses which fit into that zone. Means it’s easily used with new horses too.

todayImstruggling · 07/04/2026 23:27

The 15% rule is utter bollocks and does not represent reality at all. There were plenty of flaws in that research. A stocky, fit, healthy 15hh cob will carry plenty more than 13 stone.
Dales and Highland horses were bred to carry 100kg stags back off the moor for Christ sakes. We are becoming far too precious about what horses can and can’t do. And don’t get me started on the way people in this country keep them. The world has gone mad

Favory · 08/04/2026 06:55

todayImstruggling · 07/04/2026 23:27

The 15% rule is utter bollocks and does not represent reality at all. There were plenty of flaws in that research. A stocky, fit, healthy 15hh cob will carry plenty more than 13 stone.
Dales and Highland horses were bred to carry 100kg stags back off the moor for Christ sakes. We are becoming far too precious about what horses can and can’t do. And don’t get me started on the way people in this country keep them. The world has gone mad

We don't know that the OPs school is implementing a % rule, we do know they want the weight of the client so they can match to a suitable horse. That makes sense.

We have good research that shows the effect of the rider on the horse, including maximal force in the saddle, in sitting trot it's approx twice the weight of the rider and in canter three times the weight of the rider. That research was done with riders who can ride, rather than bouncing beginners. Somewhat different to a strapped down dead stag on a Highland pony.

A quick google shows your fit 15hh irish cob will be approx 600kg, 15% of which is 90kg or 198lbs or just over 14 stone. The only issue then is can you fit the average 14 stone arse in a saddle of a length the cob can wear, that strong cob is often blessed with a short back and noone likes to see an arse spilling out the saddle. Back in the day we adhered to the palm in front and palm behind but I fear that test has been discarded as our arses have grown as a nation.

Imdunfer · 08/04/2026 07:01

exaltedwombat · 07/04/2026 17:59

Now, don't be silly. The horse's welfare matters, but the human rider's safety matters a lot more.

The rider is safer if they don't ride at all, so it's the welfare of the horse that's the issue with a heavy rider.

TheQuaintLemonDuck · 09/04/2026 07:06

FaceIt · 06/04/2026 17:28

Yes, they really do exist.
I know a woman who is 20 stone that has ridden a lot of fine horses and thoroughbreds over the years.

I hate to think how many horses backs the selfish woman has completely wrecked for life for those poor horses 😡

no way! thats sick

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