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Live webcam of shire mare giving birth

619 replies

Pixel · 15/06/2011 20:03

[[www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13771099

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slartybartfast · 13/07/2011 07:54
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HadAThreesomeWithFredAndGeorge · 13/07/2011 07:58

Yes disaster she will know her foal has died Sad The smell of a different one would be all wrong to her.

Occasionally you get an animal that will take on a another animals baby but it is rare.

crazynanna · 13/07/2011 09:08

I have been watching this thread.

How sad Sad

cazzybabs · 13/07/2011 09:15

I have a tear in my eye :(

Disasterpiece · 13/07/2011 10:52

I was up until almost 4am thinking bout Queenie last night.

I cant imagine how all her human family are feeling right now Sad

DarftApeth · 13/07/2011 11:01

So sad Sad

cazzybabs · 13/07/2011 15:58

It has happened before at Wimpole though .. no idea if it is the same mare but they had a shire who had lost a foal and so was surrogate mother to a TB foal.

AmyStake · 13/07/2011 18:34

I should have stopped watching last night. I was shocked I think. She was licking the foal for about 30 minutes until they turned the camera off. Heartbreaking.

Queenie is in good health though, the vet has checked her over and she's alright.

AmyStake · 13/07/2011 18:36

Oops yes she has had a misscarriage previously and a foal she gave birth to had to be put to sleep due to deformities.

Do you think they'll breed from her again? I hope not :(

Disasterpiece · 13/07/2011 19:07

So Queenie has already lost Two foals?

Why put her through a Third pregnancy then? Hmm

LynetteScavo · 13/07/2011 19:11

Weirdly, this has really upset me. Sad

Pixel · 13/07/2011 19:57

Poor Queenie. I didn't get much sleep last night because I couldn't escape the image of her licking and licking her foal to try and wake it up.

What a terrible shame.Sad

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Bohica · 13/07/2011 21:27

It's taken. me ages to find this thread as my "threads I'm on" is down.

I just wanted to say well done to Emma & her team, it must have been an awfull night for them & they tried their very hardest to save the filly.

Poor queenie, I hope that is her last try

Narketta · 13/07/2011 21:53

I feel so sad for queenie, this has upset me so much more than I would have thought it could:(

I've just bee reading a press release on the My Farm site and i've just copied and pasted this bit...

As Queenie is a fit and healthy mare, and due to it being prime horse breeding season, the team is keen that she gets back to the stallion again in approximately three weeks to see if she can become pregnant once more. There is no reason to believe that Queenie won?t foal successfully in the future.

Is it just me that thinks they should leave her alone now? It seems so cruel to put her through this again:(

slartybartfast · 13/07/2011 22:44
Sad no i agree but i presume things are different on farms

it was so upsetting last night

Disasterpiece · 13/07/2011 23:08

Im still really upset too.

Is it a proper working farm or is it a farm for visitors iykwim?

It does seem cruel to put her back in foal asap as its not as if they need to foal to take over farm work from its mother in 5 years or whatever is it.

alienbump · 13/07/2011 23:39

A video here Queenie is well and they are thinking of putting her back in foal in 10 days.

Interesting comments here

Although I do find most of the comments extremely disrespectful I have to agree that putting her in foal for a Seventh (yes Seventh) time seems quite cruel and pointless. A lot of other people wondering why she couldnt have been given the chance to foster a foal.

alienbump · 13/07/2011 23:40

What the fuck. Why am i logged in as alien bump? Im disasterpiece, ive never ever been alien bump!!!!!!!!!!

Im reporting this to mnhq!

DarftApeth · 14/07/2011 09:36

Someone else was having the same problem last night disaster. Hope MN get it sorted out!

TheOriginalFAB · 14/07/2011 09:50

I just read in the paper that the foal died Sad.

thisisyesterday · 14/07/2011 17:30

am liking alienbump! lol

so, she's had 7 foals, 3 of whom have died?

do they use the foals on the farm once they're grown, or as an attraction? or is this just to sell and make money?

do foals often die or has Queenie had a lot of bad luck?

thisisyesterday · 14/07/2011 17:31

when they say "back to the stallion".... do they mean that? they referred to AI for this last foal

Disasterpiece · 14/07/2011 17:38

She has had Three healthy foals, One miscarriage, One PTS soon after it was born due to severe deformities and then this foal died straight after it was born due to drowning. Thats Six in total.

They are planning to put her back in foal as soon as they can basically this could be between 7 days and 3 weeks.

I think the term being put to a stallion may be said quite loosely here. I think they may just mean get pregnant iyswim.

I dont agree with putting her back in foal so soon BUT if they are going to I really hope they do use AI as A) there is slightly less chance the foal will have any chromosome abnormalities ( I think) and B) I think having a stallion near her rear end this soon could be dangerous. These horses are massive!

Pixel · 14/07/2011 18:16

I think generally brood mares do get put back in foal very quickly after the birth as the pregnancy is so long. I'm sure I've read somewhere that the mare is sometimes sent to foal at the stud where the stallion is so that they don't have to travel the newborn foal too soon. Might be wrong though (no expert me!).

Don't really want to get into bashing the farm staff as I'm sure they are all upset by events, except to say I did wonder at the time why no one was going into the stable when the foal came out. It seemed to be lying there for ages before anyone appeared. In fact my sister sent me a text during that time (and I replied) to say that she didn't think the foal was breathing. Who knows what was happening behind the scenes though.

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Disasterpiece · 14/07/2011 18:24

I agree Mares are in foal for a very long time and there is only a small gap when it is best to put them in foal. June-August iirc. So it does amke sense to get her foal straight away but at the risk of humanising her (yes I know there is a word for that but I cant remember it) I think it seems quite pointless, Im sure she will still be fine to use next year.

I do feel incredibly sad for Emma, she tried so hard and she is getting a lot of stick. Not nice at all.

I have just found this FAQ with Emma on H&C

Your questions answered

This is the third foal Queenie has lost. Will she be bred from again? Queenie has had three perfectly healthy foals including Jasper one of our geldings, since she has been here. She's also had a successful preganancy and birth, sadly badly disabled which had to be put down. Then she had an early term miscarriage. There is no reason why we should not breed from this animal again.

How long was the period the foal was left before resuscitation was attempted? Our users were concerned that it was left for a good five minutes before help arrived and the sac was broken over the foal's face. Emma intervened as soon as she realised there was a problem - after a maximum of two minutes.

Did Queenie get a chance to 'realise' her foal had died? Was she left with her for a while? Yes the foal was left with Queenie until she realised it was dead.

Will she be offered to the foaling bank for an orphan foal? No, she will not. This is Farm Manager Richard Morris' decision after much consideration for Queenie, Emma, her existing work load and the other horses we have in our care. We have done this in the past and it is a huge commitment that at this time we just are unable to commit to.

How is Queenie? Queenie is fine, she has gone out to the paddock this morning with Joe (her best friend - another horse). The vet is coming to check her over and advise on her condition.

Was Queenie put to the same stallion with whom she lost her previous two foals? No a different stallion was used for this pregnancy.

With her history, why wasn't a vet there? Can you share the team's foaling experience? Her history is four perfectly normal births. We had our vets on standby and were on the phone to them throughout the whole period of resuscitation. Between Emma and Richard, they have 40 years of foaling experience.

Were the team there for the whole time, but out of camera shot? Our users were concerned that no one was with her. Yes, they were with Queenie for the entire foaling, but out of shot most of the time.

Our users are concerned that Queenie didn't seem to get patted or comforted. Why was this? The focus quite rightly was on the foal and we did not want anyone else in the stable. Queenie also was not receptive at this time to contact. Emma did not stop speaking to Queenie all the time we were in the stable and she was treated with the utmost care including visits throughout the night to ensure her welfare.

What went wrong? The foal made no effort to breath for itself. When Emma noticed it did not make any effort to move or struggle, she intervened immediately. The foal had a weak pulse at this point but was still sustained by its umbilical cord. When Queenie stood up this broke and the foal slipped away. We will not be conducting a post-mortem so we will not know the exact reason. The birth was timely and straightforward, a healthy foal in these circumstances should have no problem at all.

Can our users visit Queenie? We will get her back into her normal routine as quickly as possible. So she will be out and about by the weekend, if anyone wants to visit her then, they may.

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