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The Sixty-Sixth Republic - Who will be the medal winners on Results Day? Grade inflation predicted again

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Staffholidayclubrep · 06/08/2021 22:40

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MrsHamlet · 25/08/2021 22:48

It's almost certainly going to be done in schools, isn't it? Nightmare

Hercisback · 25/08/2021 22:59

It will be done in schools. I'm in two minds about this being a good idea. Increased uptake is likely if kids are already there and parents don't have to arrange appointments/travel. However it will be disruptive.

12+ no parental consent is a bit crazy.

JanglyBeads · 26/08/2021 00:04

That wouldn’t happen would it - 12 year olds’ parents losing their parental rights??

noblegiraffe · 26/08/2021 00:06

Gillick Competence…I think parents have to consent to the HPV vaccine though so it would be hard to argue that they suddenly shouldn’t for covid?

JanglyBeads · 26/08/2021 00:06

So is it a strategy by the govt — pheraps so actually getting parents of 12-15 yos to consent to their children being jabbed is seen as a compromise??

Could the I4T horreur be faux?

noblegiraffe · 26/08/2021 00:07

They don’t want parents to consent either, they don’t want it as an option at all.

JanglyBeads · 26/08/2021 00:08

There’s no way people would accept that. Or that schools would operate under such a plan. OK they wouldn’t be doing the jabbing but it’s on school premises and would be seen as under the auspices of school.

JanglyBeads · 26/08/2021 00:08

True, noble. Off to find them on Twitter!

TheHoneyBadger · 26/08/2021 00:56

Ok but would that mean that they're also old enough and able to override their parental consent? Eg. If a parent has given consent and then the 12 year old says no I'm not having it when it comes to it being administered does that mean they don't have it? That's going to decrease uptake imo given the kind of group hysteria that can kick off during vaccinations at school.

Jan: honey, have I discovered your side hustle? You caught me! Grin

borntobequiet · 26/08/2021 03:57

Is anyone else getting a weird advert for a pen that definitely helps you write faster? The “pen of choice” for schools?
I mean, yes, some pens are better than others - I have an old Waterman fountain pen that’s a joy to write with. But this seems a bit over the top.

FlagsFiend · 26/08/2021 06:38

I think a very small number of students do refuse vaccines their parents have given consent for at school. I had one in my class who just refused to go to the vaccination room when asked. I sent an email and they said they'd come and have a chat with him later, but it sounded very like it would be persuade rather than force. I guess they'd also ring parents if that happened to get them to help. The vast majority of students just seem to accept it though, just as those with consent did the covid tests without a fuss.

There doesn't seem to be a way for a child to take a vaccine without parental consent, they just don't go on the list. With the covid tests I had one student try and argue she should be allowed to test, but as there was no consent she wasn't. I can't see the covid vaccine being different. I imagine a gillick competent child who wanted the vaccine against their parents wishes would need to get it via a different route, maybe GP?

TheHoneyBadger · 26/08/2021 06:46

I just wonder if you are old enough to consent against parents wishes does that also mean you are old enough to refuse consent against parents wishes? Presumably ethically it means both but that’s quite a can of worms.

motherrunner · 26/08/2021 06:50

www.expressandstar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2021/08/25/covid-infection-rates-in-wolverhampton-highest-in-black-country/

Wolves has now for the 27th highest Covid rates in England. Director of public health wants everyone to remain vigilant by wearing masks in enclosed spaces, socially distancing and taking regale tests. All things I can not do in school.

FlagsFiend · 26/08/2021 07:09

@TheHoneyBadger

I just wonder if you are old enough to consent against parents wishes does that also mean you are old enough to refuse consent against parents wishes? Presumably ethically it means both but that’s quite a can of worms.
Under normal treatment I think they are treated slightly differently as you are only offered treatment that the doctor already believes to be in your best interest. You can be gillick competent in some situations and not others depending on the complexity and implications.

For vaccination in school, I imagine it's a can of worms that is just not dealt with. No consent, no jab - I think consent for vaccination includes presenting your arm, they are not going to be physically forced to present an arm in school. As most children just go along with it as this is what is happening it's not really ever a problem. The small number that may refuse can be taken elsewhere by their parents later.

Hercisback · 26/08/2021 07:17

We've had students who have refused the HPV even when parents have consented. The nurses didn't force them to have it. Just spoke to the student and HOY rang parents to let them know the student didn't have the jab.

It's an absolute can of worms the other way round. Can you imagine going home to an anti vax household at 12 and announcing "I've had my vaccine".

JanglyBeads · 26/08/2021 07:45

BBC website reporting on plannng for 12-15 yos but no mention of the consent issue.

Is there a thread yet I wonder....

PumpkinPie2016 · 26/08/2021 07:46

It will definitely be done in schools Confused

I doubt the not needing parental consent thing will wash. There would be uproar surely? When we do vaccines at our school e.g. HPV it's no parental consent = no vaccine.

We never seem to have any issues though. If parents consent then the kids seem to just have it done.

Saw on twitter this morning that the DfE are now launching their 'back to school's campaignHmm basically Gavin et al saying everyone will be able to have a normal experience with sports etc. They've roped in Dr Ranj from cbeebies to reinforce the message apparently!

JanglyBeads · 26/08/2021 07:59

Prof Russell Viner just on R4 said obviously the routine way to do it would be with parental consent but that use of Gillick competency could be the backstop position. Whatever that means!

Piggywaspushed · 26/08/2021 08:01

Dr Ranj is a pillock and , having seen him on several telly quizzes, surprisingly thick.

motherrunner · 26/08/2021 08:39

Ah, I like Dr Ranj. I bought his ‘how to grow up and be amazing’ book for DS and is well written. I also liked him on ‘strictly’ and ‘sewing bee’. Although when DD used to watch ‘get well soon’ I just thought he was some presenter and not a real doctor!

borntobequiet · 26/08/2021 08:40

BBC website reporting on plannng for 12-15 yos but no mention of the consent issue.

Discussed on Today prog - not sure if at least partly because female interviewer (Martha K? she has presented Woman’s Hour in the past, if relevant)

motherrunner · 26/08/2021 08:41

[quote Piggywaspushed]re remote learning

schoolsweek.co.uk/dfe-reintroduces-remote-learning-legal-duty-for-2021-22-academic-year/[/quote]
We just teach simultaneously so have Teams on and the pupil joins the class live. We’re supposed to make them internet with the class but I cba. The only class I ever did that with was my Alevel class and I would give my laptop to a group and get them to chat that way.

Piggywaspushed · 26/08/2021 09:04

A few teachers at our school chose to do this but it was a bit of a shitshow. Our wifi is awful and the kids at home often couldn't really hear. It certainly isn't the same as when everyone is at home and you can share ppts properly and do jamboards etc. All in all, they are better off being set work to do and pacing themselves, I reckon, especially if it's older students and only for a week or so.

MrsHamlet · 26/08/2021 09:06

give my laptop to a group
That's a "summoned to explain yourself" situation in my school.
HT: WHY WAS TERRY USING YOUR LAPTOP? STUDENTS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO USE STAFF LAPTOPS.
Teacher: it was for an exam question in an assessment
HT: WHY WAS TERRY USING YOUR LAPTOP? STUDENTS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO USE STAFF LAPTOPS.
Teacher: I asked for one for Terry to use but...
HT: WHY WAS TERRY USING YOUR LAPTOP? STUDENTS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO USE STAFF LAPTOPS.
Teacher: Terry has access arrangements and...
HT: WHY WAS TERRY USING YOUR LAPTOP? STUDENTS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO USE STAFF LAPTOPS. NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.

Next assessment:
HT: TERRY'S MUM SAYS HE DIDN'T GET HIS ACCESS ARRANGEMENTS
Teacher: well you said I wasn't allowed to lend my laptop so 🤷‍♀️

Explaining to a new member of staff that the "rules" change with the wind is fun.

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