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Where the dickens has it gone? Is it gone gone? Has it been renamed and I just can't find it?

[quote DrLinus]@Florianus

The Mumsnet Staffroom is wider than this single thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom[/quote]
Thanks, I hadn't realised that. Perhaps there is no need for staffroom.boards.net in that case.

I have to say that I am alarmed to see some of its proponents casting unsubstantiated allegations about people wanting to disrupt the forum. Unsupported claims of that type were one of the things that caused annoyance and unpleasantness on the TES forums: it is disappointing if some of the usual suspects have migrated to the new forum.

@PriscillaChinchilla

Hi *@DrLinus* - I never interacted with you on Tes, because I thought and still think you're dodgy. I'm not going to interact with you here either.

When people fling muck then I dodge.

@PriscillaChinchilla

Hi *@DrLinus* - I never interacted with you on Tes, because I thought and still think you're dodgy. I'm not going to interact with you here either.

Have a wonderful day Miss Chinchilla. You are always welcome here if you wish to contribute to the discussions on this thread as well as the larger

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom

@kandahar
Thanks. I've been a member of Mumsnet on and off for around 11 years.
I hope you get on ok here, although I expect you'll be appalled by the swearing - and believe it or not people on here are far less likely to tolerate certain behaviours then Tes. Neither can the report button be used to sabotage posters - Mumsnet is just too huge to indulge that.
Anyway - I genuinely wish you well.
All the best.

The actual forum itself, of course, is unseen by most members and consists of private messages between its admins, mods and their friends.

I very much hope that is not true.

Everyone else is simply there as an eventual revenue source.
That would also concern me.

[quote DrLinus]@Weald56

What did you expect TES to say?
"You rotten lot are more expense than you are worth, now clear off!"

Companies which condemn their customers do not do well.[/quote]
Shutting down the TES forums is not the issue - a business can make big decisions if necessary. It is when it happened and how it happened, that is the problem. A good comparison that has already been made is 'friends reunited', who warned people it was closing to give time to archive personal data and save contact details. Why didn't TES do that?

Furthermore, as I have said previously, once the community shut down, ALL THE DATA was erased! So that is twenty years of educational tips, advice, discussion and support gone, just like that.

I find it incomprehensible that now, people here are slagging of staffroom.boards.net whilst over there some people are critical of this thread! In reality, the real problem that should be getting attention is the one I have just mentioned: an act of informational vandalism committed by a company that 'claims' to support UK education and the teaching profession.

It is a real head scratcher.

@Janegrey333

The actual forum itself, of course, is unseen by most members and consists of private messages between its admins, mods and their friends.

I very much hope that is not true.

The enclave forum was set up by its admins, mods and their friends to serve themselves. Their main interest is in criticising members not in their circle which, for example, is why bans come out of the blue without prior warnings.

@Janegrey333

Everyone else is simply there as an eventual revenue source. That would also concern me.

Its discussion begins on page six of this thread. £20 - £60 per annual subscription. Crowdfunding. That sort of thing. Straight into private pockets, of course. No accountability.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom/4111617-TES-Community?pg=6

Its discussion begins on page six of this thread.
£20 - £60 per annual subscription.
Crowdfunding.
That sort of thing.
Straight into private pockets, of course.
No accountability.

which relates to the proposed forum needabreak was considering starting and NOT the staffroom.boards forum which is up and running and free!

Glad I spotted this, thank you for your thoughts Dr Linus, I expect if a subscription networking service for education professionals goes ahead you and possibly others would not be prepared to actually contribute to its running costs as outlined, particularly those of salaried staff to set up and run such a provision, the very costs that were being identified in the pages you provided a link to that will help to avoid the sorts of situations that frequently arose on TES Community and possibly contributed to its demise as well as the sorts of issues that have so quickly developed on these open access sites.

The interesting thing about all subscription services is that it involves choice, you choose to subscribe, or not...

Hi @janegrey333

The comments about annual subscriptions etc were actually posted by @neededabreak who hasn't set up her proposed forum yet. She's just been testing the waters.
The one in existence (where old Tessers have gone) is free and as a user I haven't seen any talk of money, and I personally wouldn't pay anyway.
I rarely use Mumsnet these days and keep forgetting about it but this is a thread I was looking in on, in case anyone was wondering where the new site was and it's really died down over the last couple of weeks. I think most people who were asking have found the new site, and it's just a few people who were banned using this thread now. Anyway, I just wanted to clear up the money thing because it wasn't accurate.
Best,
PC

X-post, @neededabreak

@manchestermyself

"Why didn't TES do that?

Furthermore, as I have said previously, once the community shut down, ALL THE DATA was erased! So that is twenty years of educational tips, advice, discussion and support gone, just like that."
I appreciate that some people are disappointed but it legally all that data belongs to TES and its holding company and they have no obligation to make it publicly available.
It is still stored for the moment.
Whether it will be stored after the legally requisite period or mined in any way is up to them.
Time to move on.

"I find it incomprehensible that now, people here are slagging off redacted whilst over there some people are critical of this thread!"
I have no problem with people on another forum saying whatever they wish but let them say it there and not continue their hysterical vendettas over here.
Mumsnet has been very welcoming to us all but some people are just spitting in her face.

Thank you for clarifying Priscilla, the aim of the networking site is to provide a service not to make a profit, I'm doing ok thanks but that said it looks like it could have associated costs to run effectively... to be honest having thought about this long and hard and undertaken the research I am beginning to think that the target market may not be the traditional TES poster but more likely be far wider including those who want to access the sort of network I mentioned before but that does not mean they won't be welcome.

@spanieleyes

*Its discussion begins on page six of this thread. £20 - £60 per annual subscription. Crowdfunding. That sort of thing. Straight into private pockets, of course. No accountability.*

which relates to the proposed forum needabreak was considering starting and NOT the staffroom.boards forum which is up and running and free!

Glad to hear this!!

@PriscillaChinchilla

Hi *@janegrey333*

The comments about annual subscriptions etc were actually posted by @neededabreak who hasn't set up her proposed forum yet. She's just been testing the waters.
The one in existence (where old Tessers have gone) is free and as a user I haven't seen any talk of money, and I personally wouldn't pay anyway.
I rarely use Mumsnet these days and keep forgetting about it but this is a thread I was looking in on, in case anyone was wondering where the new site was and it's really died down over the last couple of weeks. I think most people who were asking have found the new site, and it's just a few people who were banned using this thread now. Anyway, I just wanted to clear up the money thing because it wasn't accurate.
Best,
PC

Thank you.

"I expect if a subscription networking service for education professionals goes ahead you and possibly others would not be prepared to actually contribute to its running costs as outlined"

Realistically, @Neededabreak, why would anyone?
Anyone wishing to network with other educational professionals has ample opportunity to do so for free on Twitter which has hugely active and enterprising communities of teachers and special interest educational groups where all manner of support and advice can be found online and offline.

"particularly those of salaried staff to set up and run such a provision, the very costs that were being identified in the pages you provided a link to that will help to avoid the sorts of situations that frequently arose on TES Community"
Whoever pays the mod sets the rules.
My confidence that a private & pay-for-play forum would be non-partisan, across a range of areas, is low.
I doubt I am alone in this.
I would suggest you invest commensurate time & energy into your family and local community instead of burdening yourself with this white elephant of a project.

@DrLinus

"I expect if a subscription networking service for education professionals goes ahead you and possibly others would not be prepared to actually contribute to its running costs as outlined"

Realistically, @Neededabreak, why would anyone?
Anyone wishing to network with other educational professionals has ample opportunity to do so for free on Twitter which has hugely active and enterprising communities of teachers and special interest educational groups where all manner of support and advice can be found online and offline.

"particularly those of salaried staff to set up and run such a provision, the very costs that were being identified in the pages you provided a link to that will help to avoid the sorts of situations that frequently arose on TES Community"
Whoever pays the mod sets the rules.
My confidence that a private & pay-for-play forum would be non-partisan, across a range of areas, is low.
I doubt I am alone in this.
I would suggest you invest commensurate time & energy into your family and local community instead of burdening yourself with this white elephant of a project.

Thank you for your thoughts. Interestingly the concept of the network for educators is different to the network that can be found on open sites such as Twitter and there is evidence from smaller internal networks that there is much to be gained from them. Those of us who used TES during our careers know how good it can be, the issues it faced were quite specific but in principle it was not a bad idea.

'The enclave forum was set up by its admins, mods and their friends to serve themselves.
Their main interest is in criticising members not in their circle which, for example, is why bans come out of the blue without prior warnings.'

How very odd, Dr Linus, that you can speak SO definitively about:
a) the membership;
b) the discussions;
c) the motivations;
of a forum of which you have not been a member.

That comment about cougars wanting him is just the sort of thing Vince Ulam would say. I don't recall any females being the slightest bit interested in him. In fact, it was to the contrary.
Ohh, it was such a bright and beautiful day when he left the site for good!
But alas, too soon after, another, so similar to him came, and thus initiated the debate that he was indeed the reincarnation of the beforementioned.

@Needabreak, knowing that neither Vince UIam or @DrLinus will be on your new site makes it all the more attractive to me.

@Neededabreak

"there is evidence from smaller internal networks that there is much to be gained from them"
Such as?

Yep, I sure would pay to be on site that DrLinus or Vince Ulam was not on and would never be on.

[quote Kandahar]**@Fadeyushka, sorry to hear your story, but not surprised. I remember you from over a year ago I think, and that you are a Ukrainian immigrant from the 1990s. Do stick around on this forum and hopefully @Needabreak will get this new teaching forum underway. I certainly hope so, as we do need an impartially moderated forum, where all are treated fairly and with respect, as are the views and opinions posted.[/quote]
Kandihar, almost right. My husband (whose name was Fadeyushka) came to England in the nineties. I followed with our daughter once she had left school in 2005. I am glad to see that this forum has other parts to it other than this thread we are on now.

[quote DrLinus]@manchestermyself

"Why didn't TES do that?

Furthermore, as I have said previously, once the community shut down, ALL THE DATA was erased! So that is twenty years of educational tips, advice, discussion and support gone, just like that."
I appreciate that some people are disappointed but it legally all that data belongs to TES and its holding company and they have no obligation to make it publicly available.
It is still stored for the moment.
Whether it will be stored after the legally requisite period or mined in any way is up to them.
Time to move on.

"I find it incomprehensible that now, people here are slagging off redacted whilst over there some people are critical of this thread!"
I have no problem with people on another forum saying whatever they wish but let them say it there and not continue their hysterical vendettas over here.
Mumsnet has been very welcoming to us all but some people are just spitting in her face.[/quote]
DrLinus,

I was interested to read what you typed recently (I'm not getting into the new place vs mumsnet battle), it is the TES thing I'm interested in.

How do you know "it is still stored for the moment"? (the data) do you have some insider knowledge? Because I have had sight of a reply to a GDPR request, which states that once the decision was taken to close the community all the data was erased.

It either exists and this reply contains an untruth, or it doesn't, because its been deleted.

Can you enlighten me: what is the "...legally requisite period" (for storing the data) which you speak of? 6 months? a year....?

Many thanks, in advance.