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The Seventh Republic - the debate rages on but for some it is half term!

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 22/05/2020 11:33

You are most welcome to this school staff support thread to get us through stressful times. It is meant for school staff. Baiters and bashers can jog on somewhere else.

If you are NOT staff and just have a general education query please start your own thread.

You can play here only if you are a member of one the following groups-

-ABBA - anti bashers and baiting association
-SWAB - school workers against bashers
-SWOT - school workers opposing teacherbashers
-STARS - schoolworkers together against ranting + slurs

Other requirements for staff room entry include the ability to find the staff room, the ability to find a clean mug in the staff room, knowledge of the photocopier codes, and the ability to sniff out where the toffee vodka is hidden.

If you are fed up with cakes and biscuits there is now a cheeseboard on offer

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Cantaloupeisland · 30/05/2020 15:12

Neu post re. 4 SAGE advisers saying schools opening too soon - m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=856917094814903&id=241312696375349&anchor_composer=false

Too late I fear

MrsHerculePoirot · 30/05/2020 15:15

@eitak22 I fear you may have missed the point of the post - that is what everyone says to any teacher “I know a teacher and.... “. I’m not reading anyone slagging anyone else off here? I’m assuming you work in a school also and therefore are aware of all the teacher/school bashing and why these threads are here?

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/05/2020 15:18

I can't make that link work, is it this one?

IMMEDIATE
*30 May 2020

NEU calls on Government to step back from the brink and stop wider 1 June school reopening

Four prominent members of the Government’s own scientific advisory body have broken ranks to express worries about the safety of wider primary school opening on Monday.

SAGE members Professor Peter Horby, who is chair of the Government's New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG); Jeremy Farrar, director of the Wellcome Institute; John Edmunds, professor of infectious disease modelling at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and Calum Semple, professor in Child Health and Outbreak Medicine have all expressed fears about the easing of lockdown.

On the BBC’s Radio 4 Today programme, Professor Horby agreed with Professors Edmunds and Farrar’s concerns, saying that SAGE has always been very clear that test, trace, isolate must be fully running BEFORE lockdown is relaxed. The system needs to be tracking most new cases, he said, following them up within 48 hours.

Professor Horby added that SAGE does not have a good handle on the role of children and schools in transmission and stated that returning to another lockdown would be much worse than delaying another two or three weeks until contact tracing is fully up and running.

Professor Edmunds said “There are still 8,000 new infections every day in England without counting those in hospitals and care homes… If you look at it internationally, it’s a very high level of incidence.

“I think many of us would prefer to see the incidence driven down to lower levels because that then means that we have fewer cases occurring before we relax the measures.”

Professor Farrar tweeted: “Covid-19 spreading too fast to lift lockdown in England. TTI [test, trace and isolate] has to be in place, fully working, capable [of dealing with] any surge immediately.”

Professor Semple said: “Essentially, we’re lifting the lid on a boiling pan and it’s just going to bubble over… We need to get it down to simmer before we take the lid off, and it’s too early.”

He also said that levels of transmission and hospital admissions are still too high. "I think a political decision has been made to tie in with when school was due to start, were everything normal, but it’s not normal."

National Education Union joint general secretaries Kevin Courtney and Dr Mary Bousted said: “This public break by four prominent of the Government’s SAGE committee changes everything.

“No-one can now confidently assert that it is safe to open schools more widely from Monday.

“All four of these independent members of SAGE agree that there must a lower number of cases and an efficient system of contact tracing working before there is a relaxation of lockdown measures. Both these measures are included in the NEU’s Five Tests.

“Opening schools more widely runs the risk of increasing the R rate and therefore the level of risk to staff and to parents.

That risk can only be mitigated if contact tracing is running successfully.

“We have made that case strongly to Government – and we have been supported by the BMA and by the Independent SAGE group in our concerns. Government replies that it is following the science. But this public break by senior members of SAGE, including by the chair of the NERVTAG committee, undermines that claim.

“School leaders, their staff and pupils’ families deserve better than this.

“Even at this late stage, we call on the Government to draw back from wider opening of primary schools from Monday.

“Instead we urge Government to engage in talks with the profession and the unions, including the NEU, about how to open schools more widely once the contact tracing system is shown to be working.”

2020-096-NEU*

eitak22 · 30/05/2020 15:20

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eitak22 · 30/05/2020 15:22

If I have got the wrong end of the stick then I apologise but I am sick of people making out my husband has it easy because hes on furlough.

MrsHerculePoirot · 30/05/2020 15:42

I really don’t think that was what was being said at all - honestly. I don’t think anyone with any sense thinks any of this is easy for most people whatever their situation. Just my view though from how I read the posts.

MrsHerculePoirot · 30/05/2020 15:44

Do you think they are planning on announcing we will move down to level 3 tomorrow to line up with their easing of restrictions? Who makes hat decision? I can’t find anything about it anywhere that explains what current level is and who makes decision to change it?

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 30/05/2020 15:45

@eitak22 - just a polite reminder that this is a Staffroom support thread. We are sorry people have been furloughed and that there is a rising number who are being made redundant.

We have all been frustrated by the calls for teachers to be furloughed/sacked etc whilst still delivering lessons. Therefore the republic is our sounding off platform. As you may recall in the pre-republic thread we were calling for a boycott of any school related thread outside of the education forums

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StaffAssociationRepresentative · 30/05/2020 15:48

They may wait a week to see what happens when primaries expand their intake on Monday.

Waiting for that storm to arrive Monday evening on MN

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pfrench · 30/05/2020 15:59

@eitak22 - it's a joke.

eitak22 · 30/05/2020 16:09

I'm sorry for my reaction, guess it's a sensitive subject at the moment.

Had anyone seen the thread regarding lunchtime in AIBU? I have no idea how ours is going to work as we only just have enough staff for all the bubbles and key worker numbers are going up on monday.

ChloeDecker · 30/05/2020 16:10

[quote eitak22]@pfrench yeah you're right I made it up. Might not be able to afford our house etc because my DH might lose his job but at least we can go to the beach!!

You whinge about teachers being treated like shit how is it better to slag off others?[/quote]
I read it that pfrench was just pretending to write what others say when teachers give their experience, not that she was actually saying you were lying. She was highlighting the unfairness of those types of comments and judging by your reaction, shows why it upsets us teachers Grin

ChloeDecker · 30/05/2020 16:11

X-post-sorry!

NeurotrashWarrior · 30/05/2020 16:25
IHateCoronavirus · 30/05/2020 16:29

Grin Neuro you read my mind.

Mistressiggi · 30/05/2020 16:41

I am about to jump in my kids' paddling pool. Wish me luck. I hope you get sensible news in today/tomorrow's briefing re Monday.

ChloeDecker · 30/05/2020 16:45

Thanks IHateCoronavirus!

Looks like the Oak National Academy have finally produced some Computing lessons for Secondary from Monday! I know who has been doing them, so I’m confident they should be a good alternative in case my students don’t like my lessons that I give them, ha ha!

Piggywaspushed · 30/05/2020 16:51

Journalists really aren't interested in schools. Yet another briefing goes by without a single mention. And ,yet, the Tory press will still think up some headline if it suits.

pfrench · 30/05/2020 17:09

Schools left in impossible situation: science says no, government says yes, LAs say little, parents expecting us to open, unions did not gain clarity for schools and no clear message in light of worsening death and infection data. Crap time to be a HT.

Tweet I've just read. I have written to my MP. Won't get a response.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 30/05/2020 17:37

Time for a gin and tonic I think. I scared to say that it is Silent Pool with a splash of Fever-Tree tonic (bit middle class I know, but given that us teachers are middle class and out-of-touch with our school intake according to a poster yesterday I thought I better make an effort Grin)

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DreamingofBrie · 30/05/2020 17:54

@ChloeDecker

Thanks IHateCoronavirus!

Looks like the Oak National Academy have finally produced some Computing lessons for Secondary from Monday! I know who has been doing them, so I’m confident they should be a good alternative in case my students don’t like my lessons that I give them, ha ha!

I always supply a video from Dr Frost, Mr Corbett, Mr Woo or Sal Khan. I'm not a confident teacher (massive imposter syndrome but my results are fine!), so I always tell them if they don't get it when I explain it, to listen to one of the above instead! Mathswatch woman is OK too, but you need to sign in to watch her videos, so I don't tend to link them.
pfrench · 30/05/2020 18:03

I'm a combo of massively angry and sad today. I don't know what to do with myself. I've done nothing all day. Oh, I had a nap. I've got one lesson to finish before Monday, but just really couldn't give a shit.

IHateCoronavirus · 30/05/2020 18:14

pfrench days like that are hard going. Let’s hope tomorrow is a brighter day but for now give yourself the permission to step away from the work. Would going for a walk help? Watching a good film or boxset?

StrawberryJam200 · 30/05/2020 18:17

BBC Radio 4 has just said (I think, was only half listening) that only about 1 in 10 primary schools will be opening on Monday!

ChloeDecker · 30/05/2020 18:33

Much appreciated DreamingofBrie

Will have a peruse tonight!

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