Could we ask MN for no more teacher bashing threads do you think?

[pinkrocker]

It's hard enough without being told we're "twiddling thumbs"
I'm really, honestly trying so hard right now. And I'm sure thousands more are as well.
I don't want to make excuses or feel sad for myself or start championing us, but can we just have a break please?
MN is full of arguments against us, angry justifications of opinions from both sides.
I understand why people are frustrated, but could we ask MN for people to take a break, please

You try to avoid teachers' threads by posting in the staffroom, Tony?
Didn't notice it was in the staffroom, but even so, what the OP is asking affects all of us.

Noble
Thankyou I did tell her that. I know we’re we are the colleges have been used as a hub but she wouldn’t want him to go into a big college.

Thank you @Glitterbug76 They are OK at the moment. Her SIL has form for extreme bitchiness.

Look at this exchange, and imagine it happening elsewhere on mumsnet - step-parenting? Adoption? Small pets?

"And yes, I really think non-teachers should stay out of the Staffroom. This was set up for teachers to talk to each other, not have goady posters piling in"

"We won’t stay out of it we are taxpayers and parents".

I think I'll go to TES for a while - or read a book - as it is impossible to hide AIBU, corona, education, staffroom - actually the teacher bashing threads can probably appear anywhere. (Style and beauty - because of lazy teachers I've nowhere to wear my new school run dress to this season).
Ffs.

There’s part of the problem, Glitter, your SIL complaining that the school isn’t doing anything to support her with an autistic DS at home out of his routine (which I fully appreciate must be extremely difficult).

Schools are not one-stop-shops for everything to do with children. We have experience at educating autistic children. Support is being offered - they can come into school. But when it comes to an autistic child struggling at home during a pandemic, what expertise can the school offer? Somewhere like the National Autistic Society would be better placed to offer advice and support.

With vulnerable children - we look after them pastorally when they come into school, absolutely. But there are now suggestions that to support vulnerable children schools should open to all children even if not safe, because the vulnerable children are not coming into school. But that’s a social care issue. If the vulnerable kids aren’t coming to schools, then they need to be monitored in other ways.

And how many key workers are actually being enabled to work by schools being open 9-3:30?

If the provision offered isn’t good enough, that’s because of poor planning by the folks in charge, not the people on the front line.

The teacher-bashing threads have reached a new level now, and it’s really interesting how people extrapolate from their own child’s teacher or school to all teachers and schools. My husband is a secondary school teacher, I know how hard he works and is working, I don’t need to defend him. I’m not a teacher.

Re the teachers who aren’t pulling their weight - you get that in any job. Would anyone here who isn’t a teacher like to be judged the same as the piss-takers in their own profession? Of course not.

So @Glitterbug76 your cousin's child could go to school and she is refusing to send him - but that's the school's fault?
Is that what you mean?

Like with every group of people, there are good and there are bad.

The Good - teachers at my son's senior school are working their sock off. Setting work for multiple year groups and trying to keep the children on track for GCSEs and A Levels. I have nothing but praise for these teachers.

The Bad - teacher of my YR6. One class of 16, setting 1 piece of English and Maths per week, yet to mark or provide feedback on anything.

It would be amazing for our household income if teachers’ currently pro-rated pay were increased to cover the unpaid portion of holiday if that were reduced to just the 28 days! My husband and the pupils he teaches would be completely knackered of course, and the government couldn’t afford it, and many parents would hate it, but I’m sure the extra income would come in handy so thanks for that suggestion.

Noble giraffe
What are you talking about !!! I don’t have a sister in law whose complained !!
So you want social workers who are protecting vulnerable children to do the teachers jobs where prey tell are theses social care issues placements ?? Respite really !! In the day with staff who don’t know him.

Read my post he’s been refused his place at school !!

There are lots and lots of teachers out there. The majority of my dcs teachers have been good. Some of them have been great. A tiny few have been bloody awful. This is a parenting site and teachers affect our kids lives. Of course posters should be able to discuss the good and the bad without being abused for it.

So you want social workers who are protecting vulnerable children to do the teachers jobs

It seems you want teachers to do the job of social workers.

Apologies about SIL, replace with cousin. But you said she didn’t want to send him in.

@Glitterbug76 you said your cousin wouldn't want him in a big college. If he is severely autistic why does he not have an EHCP that allows him to be cared for? Or is it that he does and the local schools have joined together to create a hub to look after the children and as a result your cousin has chosen not to send him?

Hubs are formed to enable the best care for the pupils by the way.

Of course posters should be able to discuss the good and the bad without being abused for it.

I agree with this Tony and I think every teacher on this thread agrees with this.

So why do the particular posts that this thread refers to, always start with an aggressive rant aimed at all teachers, with statements designed to inflame, with the OP not engaging with the responses (as a discussion should, even if they don’t agree) and continuing to post in a goady way? Admittedly, some of these threads have been deleted by MNHQ for being goady (these have been in the deletion statements on at least two) but by then, the damage has already been done.

There are a few posts in Lockdown Learning that are fair and reasonable discussions, which some posters would do well to follow.

I didn’t say she didn’t want to send him to his school, he has been told he can’t go. I said in our area we have a college that has been turned into a Hub , she doesn’t have that in area.

@BrazenHusky74 schools are not obliged to mark or feedback as per union guidelines.

Which I assume were put into place to stop the utter ridiculousness that is going on in some places where the poor staff are having to mark to the nth degree and it’s still not enough.

When have I said I want teachers to do the job of social workers just asking them in the case of my cousins son to do the job they are getting paid for. Social workers are running round like headless chickens rating the most vulnerable children on there case loads of 40 plus working out how they are going to protect them from abuse !

Glitterbug76

What age or year is he in? I’m wondering if something good can come out of this thread and we can help you help your cousin get what he is entitled to? There was criteria that schools had to abide by and if they have gone against that criteria, we can assist. Could you tell us a little more without outing, obviously?

@Glitterbug76 I agree with Chloe tell us more as with an ECHP school must provide for him.

Where are all the threads about staff from the DfE sitting around twiddling their thumbs? They are supposed to be in charge.

Social workers are running round like headless chickens rating the most vulnerable children on there case

Again, sweeping statements regarding all Social workers are just as unhelpful in order to paint all teachers in a bad light. My Dh’s cousin is a social worker and she hasn’t been. She’s been self isolating with her young family for a few weeks and before that was WFH (this does not negate the amazing work Social Workers are doing or what she is doing, I’m just pointing out the generalisations here are misleading both ways)

Dippy or Ofsted!

@Davincitoad I was trying to show that there is difference between the good and bad teachers. To be honest I would be amazed if my DS YR6 teacher marked or provided feedback as she hasn't managed it for the rest of the year. But as long as she posts printed twinkle worksheets for him to do he will do it even though he is not obilged to do so.

Chloe
He’s 13 that would be great if you could help.
I can only discuss my local authority and the child protection team they have had to rate the children’s vulnerability the same with all the adults team. Everyone member of staff that’s unable to under take there job has been redeployed to another position some times doing hands on care.