Are teachers paid for their holidays?

[sarararararah]

Hi 👋
I’ve been teaching for 15 years. Today office staff and TAs were saying that teachers are paid for their holidays but they aren’t. It’s often cited on here that we are paid IN the holidays but not FOR the holidays and are only paid for our contracted 195 days. Does anyone know where I can find out if that’s actually the case online? I’ve looked at the burgundy book but I can’t see anywhere where it says either way and would like clarity one way or the other - mainly so I don’t spout incorrect information! Thanks for any help.

TAs at my school get paid 46 weeks per year; teachers are paid for 52 weeks.

www.payscale.com/career-news/2015/06/do-teachers-really-get-summers-off

There’s a link here.

Teachers are paid across 52 weeks for 40 week's work.

Actually, that might be American.

@imfine Do you have a link for that as unfortunately @potteringalong’s link is American so probably can’t use that. Thanks though!

I don’t think holidays/holiday allowance/pay are specified in the STPCD.

We are simply paid for the 195 days we work.

Teachers get paid for 195 days plus statutory holidays and bank holidays. This is then spread over 12 months.

Where I am TAs get paid for 39 weeks, 37 hours a week. Paid over 12 months. Term time only contract.

If you look at job adverts for TAs they often specify term time only, whereas teachers contracts run for a full year. When I was a TA was paid throughout the year but that was several years ago. Conversely, teacher supply daily rates are meant to be higher in order to include holiday pay but it doesn’t feel as safe as being paid twelve months a year!

Yes, that’s what I thought. But the school support manager is adamant I’m wrong and I just want to know for sure! It doesn’t really matter but it’s creating a bit of division that our terms and conditions are so different.

They are paid for the 195 days (39 weeks) but it is spread across the year so 1/12 each month. Therefore if their annual pay is £30k they receive £2500 month gross.

Legally, everyone accrues a statutory amount of paid annual leave.
It might be rolled up into TA's hourly rate, but for teachers it's spread over the full year.

When, in reality, I don’t think they are!

Conversely, teacher supply daily rates are meant to be higher in order to include holiday pay

I think that always used to be the case but agencies can do what they want now. On the Supply teaching group I’m on, people on UPS3 are being paid m4 or less! There are loads of supply teachers (as people don’t want to work permanently) and schools are often using TAs to cover, so agencies can pay what they want.

You’re all confirming what I thought, but I can’t go and say, “I’m right because everyone on mumsnet says so!” I need something concrete to show her. I have googled pretty extensively but can’t find anything. Any ideas anyone please? Or does it just not exist?

Playing Devil's advocate here; I work in an educational establishment and we have some staff who are paid over 52 weeks and some staff who are paid purely pro-rata. I have also worked in other places where it has been a choice. You get paid pro-rata but it's up to you if you want to take less pay every month or if you want to get paid when you're actually in. Sorry if that was a bit rambly but I hope it makes sense!

OP, we are paid for some of the holidays but not all. Roughly about 4 weeks not 13. Show them the Burgundy Book.

Thanks! I can’t find it in the burgundy book. Can you point me in the right direction please?

Show them the Burgundy Book.

I don’t think it is in there.

Scrap that. It’s not there. There are no holidays specified in STP&CD. Therefore, all teachers are entitled to is the statutory minimum of 28 days.
The fact that we only have to be in school for 195 days in a year does not get away from the fact that teachers are expected to work beyond that and over and above 1265 hours.
Extraact from STP&CD 2018
In addition to the hours a teacher is required to be available for
work under sub-paragraph 4 or sub-paragraph 6, as the case may
be, a teacher must work such reasonable additional hours as may
be necessary to enable the effective discharge of the teacher’s
professional duties, including, in particular, those under paragraphs
72.1.1 and 72.1.3.
74.14 The employer must not determine how many of the additional hours
referred to in sub-paragraph 13 must be worked or when these hours must be worked.

X post!

Aragog
Teachers get paid for 195 days plus statutory holidays and bank holidays. This is then spread over 12 months.

Nope

1265 hours, or 195 days spread over the year.
The statutory holiday myth has crept in on MN over the last couple of years.

Although I am sure that the usual crowd will show up to say that I don't know my own contract

Tell them to show you, where it says you are paid for all 13 weeks

The thing is, I’m quite embarrassed that I don’t know my own contract!

195 working days...I'm switching professions!

She’s saying I only have to work 195 days, but that I’m paid for 52.?? weeks - 365 days. That cannot be right!