Are teachers paid for their holidays?

[sarararararah]

Hi 👋
I’ve been teaching for 15 years. Today office staff and TAs were saying that teachers are paid for their holidays but they aren’t. It’s often cited on here that we are paid IN the holidays but not FOR the holidays and are only paid for our contracted 195 days. Does anyone know where I can find out if that’s actually the case online? I’ve looked at the burgundy book but I can’t see anywhere where it says either way and would like clarity one way or the other - mainly so I don’t spout incorrect information! Thanks for any help.

Can you call HR and ask for the policy or teachers pay and conditions document to be emailed to you?

Presumably if you left teaching at the end of the summer term and started a new job on 1 August you would get two payslips in August - one from your teaching job but for work you'd already done, and one for your new job.
Does it help to think about it that way?

I'm a school business manager in Scotland. Teachers in Scotland are paid 40 days holiday, so 8 weeks.
http://www.snct.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Part22Section5
Hope the link works.
They are paid equally over 12 months.

Support staff are paid holidays according to their length of service. So, new staff work 39 weeks plus get 5.4 weeks holiday pay, rising to a maximum of 8 weeks after 10 years service. Holiday pay is added to their salary and paid equally over 12 months.

What does it say in the red book about accrued annual leave whilst on maternity leave?

I see most TA vacancies for term time only.
Doesnt seem fair really as they seem to work just as hard as the teachers.
When I look through my kids reading record it's signed by TA.
Homework signed by class mates or TA.
Smaller group 1-1 is either peer led or with a TA.

neu.org.uk/advice/support-staff-pay-scales-and-conditions

This link has a section on term time only working and says how in the future term time only workers should move to an full year contract to avoid the disparities.

This seems to suggest that if you didn’t return after maternity you’d get paid for your annual leave not taken

Obviously I don’t know the people involved here or the context of your conversation, but what strikes me here is that you seem to be trying to convince someone who probably earns significantly less than you that your pay and conditions are as bad as hers. It just doesn’t seem very pleasant. Is there a reason you need to win this argument or could it be more prudent to just step back from it? (“I’m happy with my pay”, “I wish we all earned more”, or something equally non confrontational)?

I think you’ve inferred things that aren’t there. I never said anything like that. I totally agree that support staffs’ pay and conditions are appalling. And in fact I did step away from the conversation in exactly that kind of a way. It just got me wondering that’s all.

So say a teacher annual salary is advertised as £30k. Do they receive £30k in exchange for 195 working days or is the £30k pro ratad for the actual days worked.
Are teachers being paid for 13 weeks holiday?

allthingsred

I think most teachers would dearly love to be paid to spend their time checking homework books , hearing readers and doing intervention work with small groups.

Unfortunately for teachers pay they are expected to be planning, teaching and marking the rest of the work that their class needs, plus gong to meetings with colleagues and parents, sourcing materials, writing reports, organising timetables, re writing curriculum maps every 10 minutes, jumping through hoops, keeping records up to date ............

@Hollowvictory

Teachers are paid for 195 days but paid over 12 months.

They are not paid for the 13 weeks holidays.

hollowvictory if a full time job is advertised at £30.000 then that is the annual salary the teacher will receive.

For that the teacher wil be expected to work for 195 days, between September and July (in the UK).

For administrative purposes the salary is divided into 12 equal chunks and paid monthly, so although a teacher does not work (hollow laughter) in August they will still get a salary paid into their bank account for August.

So for the poster who wondered if a teacher gets a double dip salary if they leave a job in August for a new one in September then they don't. Their August salary will be from their previous job, the new job will be paid from September when the new contract starts.

ivykaty maternity leave and teachers pay is quite complicated. If you plan it right you can play the system a bit I always told my union members to aim for delivery at the middle or end of September, then they could have the summer, come back in September for a few days/a week then go on maternity leave. They didn't always listen,sigh, and of course it didn't always work out the way they planned, but that was the advice.

My head teachers loved me dearly, they always wanted the teachers to start their maternity leave in July, I think the money worked out the same but the time off with the new baby was reduced.

The point was that if you left work after maternity leave you would receive money in lieu of annual leave. If teachers don’t get annual leave then they wouldn’t be entitled to this money

"So for the poster who wondered if a teacher gets a double dip salary if they leave a job in August for a new one in September then they don't. Their August salary will be from their previous job, the new job will be paid from September when the new contract starts."
No, not if they start a new non teaching job on 1 August!

If TAs want the same T&Cs as teachers the best thing they can do is get qualified as teachers, and then take a teaching job. the demands of a teacher's role are very different from those of most TA roles. You are doing the teaching profession a disservice if you are arguing that TAs should have the same T&Cs as TAs.

stealthpolarbear

That's not what you said in your post!

Yes, if you left a teaching post at the end of July you would be paid for August.

So if you started a job outside teaching straight away you would also be paid for your work in August .

Mind you, you would be on your knees and would probably have done nothing constructive in your new position.........

I used the words "left teaching" :o

CraftGin: Support staff get paid for holidays.

Not always. Depends on their contract, I have a term time contract covering 39 weeks. It is written clearly on the job adverts, and on our contracts after getting a job.

Let's do this again .

The salary is paid over 12 months. So you get a payslip in August.

However, you aren't actually paid for this time. Your 195 day salary is just spread over the 12 months.

In theory you can work in the summer holidays. Younger teachers sometimes do summer camps etc abroad. Then they get extra pay.

And if you left teaching entirely I suppose you could have a double bubble month in August. My dad used to, years ago but teaching was a different beast back then. I hardly know my name by July so I'd be useless to a new employer

Tax man would have a fair chunk of the money though, second jobs and all that.

It wouldn't be your second job. It would be your only job by 1 august

I am school admin. My salary is calculated using a convoluted formula which includes paying me for the annual leave I would accrue in a full time job at my grade pro rated for my actual weeks (39) and hours (25).

Our TAs pay is calculated using the same formula but I’m not sure about the teachers as I don’t deal with their payroll.

Effectively I do get holiday pay (which I believe is a legal obligation for employees) but just no choice about when I take it.

I’m a TA and we do absolutely zero work over the holiday and considerably less work than teachers during term time so my pro rata salary doesn’t offend me. We also have no responsibility for results or progress.