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3.5% payrise for MPS teachers, below inflation for others WHAT ABOUT RETENTION?
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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 12:07

Teachers’ pay deal has finally been announced on the last possible day as MPs flee the backlash for their summer recess.

3.5% for those on the main pay scale
2% for those on the upper pay scale
1.5% for those on the leadership scale.

Anything above 1% will be funded by the DfE.

Inflation currently stands at 2.3%.

www.tes.com/news/teachers-receive-35-cent-pay-rise

I understand that they need to increase pay at the bottom end to attract graduates into the profession, but am annoyed that loyal and experienced teachers are still getting effective pay cuts.

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HollyBollyBooBoo · 24/07/2018 12:27

Join the club! Many people haven't had a pay rise in years and if you take into account additional pension contributions and inflation people are so much worse off.

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 12:30

That’s true, Holly, but teaching is in the middle of a massive recruitment and retention crisis and this will not help matters.

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Viserion · 24/07/2018 12:31

Haven't had a payrise above 1% in about a decade. Can't see that changing any time soon. So that looks pretty generous to me.

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 12:34

This graph shows the problem pretty effectively.

Don’t ask who is teaching your kid maths.

3.5% payrise for MPS teachers, below inflation for others WHAT ABOUT RETENTION?
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ourkidmolly · 24/07/2018 12:35

@Viserion
Most people have had a bigger pay rise though so the fact you're in a minority doesn't mean that should be extrapolated to all. Talk about a race to the bottom. Such  Envyon this site all the bloody time.

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ourkidmolly · 24/07/2018 12:36

It's an absolutely chronic situation. Can't get heads and they're effectively untying their pay.

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 12:44

“The OECD, for example, revealed that teachers’ statutory salaries in England were worth less in real terms in 2015 than 10 years before, to the tune of 12 per cent, whilst teacher pay in other advanced countries rose by 6 per cent on average. ”

Awesome. www.tes.com/news/teacher-pay-long-shadow-austerity

Why do the government think they can’t get enough teachers and can’t keep them when they do? It’s because they treat us like crap!

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CarrieBlue · 24/07/2018 13:45

I’m so angry that yet again experienced teachers are dumped on. It’s almost like this government wants our children to be taught exclusively by inexperienced teachers.

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Viserion · 24/07/2018 13:47

It's not a question of wanting a race to the bottom. It just sticks in the craw somewhat that within minutes of a generous payrise for the majority being announced, there are people whining that it is not enough.

I know it is against MN law to criticise teachers, but I can't reconcile the 'we only get paid for 195 days/year argument' with the 'we're so badly paid' argument. Either the job is a well paid part time one, or a (still above) average paid full time one. Sure, it's hard work, but so are many, many much less well paid jobs.

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 13:58

generous payrise for the majority being announced, there are people whining that it is not enough.

Er, because they’re getting a pay cut?

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 14:08

The Institute for Fiscal Studies have just tweeted that about 60% of teachers will be getting 2% or 1.5%

So actually. @viserion, it’s a pay cut for the majority, not a generous pay rise for the majority.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 24/07/2018 14:18

Sure, it's hard work, but so are many, many much less well paid jobs. And all teachers are welcome to go and find one... except, they want to be teachers, they trained to be teachers, they like the teaching part of the job, it's pretty much a vocation that nobody survives in unless they like the part that is teaching.

If you want it to be a race to the bottom, a race that will provide yet more generations of children of motivated, capable teachers, you keep on moaning about those teachers who have stuck to the job and are trying to point out to society as a whole why droves if us are bailing out! Ignore us all at your child's peril - or the peril of the children all around you!

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Mistressiggi · 24/07/2018 14:19

Our claim in Scotland is for 10%, which sounds great (if we get it) but we have lost over 20% since austerity began.
So I feel your pain.

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MaisyPops · 24/07/2018 14:21

Brave thread. How long before people come to tell us that their aunty's cousin's best mate works for £2/hour 9 days a week for 78 hours a day and has to live in a squat so we shouldn't discuss our pay and conditions without apologising for other people's poor conditions.

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percypig · 24/07/2018 14:27

Hugely frustrating - even more so for those of us in NI who haven’t even had the 1% in recent years to keep pace with England. I’ll be amazed if we get any pay award in the absence of a govt at Stormont, and particularly because budgets are already at breaking point.

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 14:31

Wow Mistress I thought things were supposed to be better for teachers in Scotland. Good luck with your claim!

Good luck to those in NI too (and probably Wales).

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 14:59

Someone on twitter has done the maths:

“Just done some quick maths, so that will mean there's only £900 a year between M6 and UPS1, and only £360 a year between UPS3 and L1. Not the best motivators for teachers to progress through the threshold or into leadership”

twitter.com/sbl365/status/1021712259880505345?s=21

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Piggywaspushed · 24/07/2018 16:11

Right noble, I don't understand.... do I get 3.5% payrise on the bit of my salary that is mainscale? Or do I get 2% on my whole salary?

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Piggywaspushed · 24/07/2018 16:13

viserion, I can't say I have noticed this 'law' on MN. I have honestly never seen so much derision aimed at teachers since I last read the DM comments section. At least three threads started today aimed at criticising teachers. I find it thoroughly disheartening.

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Ta1kinpeace · 24/07/2018 16:17

The main point is that the pay rises are UNFUNDED
So once ERS NI and Employer Pension contributions are added on,
the wages bill at schools will go up by 5%

so other things will have to be cut by that amount
cue redundancies Angry

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 16:19

I think the national pay scales will go up by 3.5% for MPS, 2% for UPS, 1.5% for points on leadership scale.

But academies don’t have to pay to pay scales and no idea what happens to TLRs.

Plus this isn’t being funded by the Treasury, schools need to find 1% from their budget and the DfE will have to cut costs from various programmes to fund the rest.

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AuroraFloyd · 24/07/2018 16:44

When will this come into effect?

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 16:46

September. Nothing like leaving decisions till the last minute, eh!

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noblegiraffe · 24/07/2018 16:54

Although let’s not forget that it’s up to schools to implement it, and lots of teachers didn’t get the 1% pay rise last year.

www.tes.com/news/one-five-teachers-denied-cost-living-pay-rise

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purits · 24/07/2018 17:03

Why are you still a teacher giraffe?Confused You seem to start a thread a day moaning about some aspect or other of being a teacher.

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