3.5% payrise for MPS teachers, below inflation for others WHAT ABOUT RETENTION?

[noblegiraffe]

Teachers’ pay deal has finally been announced on the last possible day as MPs flee the backlash for their summer recess.

3.5% for those on the main pay scale
2% for those on the upper pay scale
1.5% for those on the leadership scale.

Anything above 1% will be funded by the DfE.

Inflation currently stands at 2.3%.

www.tes.com/news/teachers-receive-35-cent-pay-rise

I understand that they need to increase pay at the bottom end to attract graduates into the profession, but am annoyed that loyal and experienced teachers are still getting effective pay cuts.

Doctors are getting 2% but it would have been due April and isn’t happening until October and they aren’t backdating it, so that’ll be 1% then!

Know less about teachers but it seems like it’s all dressed up to sound better than it actually is. Lots of sneaky numbers work.

I hadn’t realised about it not being funded by DfE. That puts you in a terrible position.

All of the pay rises announced are UNFUNDED
they will have to come out of efficiencies
and the cost to the organisation because of pensions, NI and the apprenticeship levy
means that the cost will be around 1.5 times what the employee will get

so the damage to organisations already at breaking point will be significant

diana The Times this morning reported that the doctor's payrise would be backdated?

I'm an experienced, and loyal, teacher of 11 years but stuck on mps

Oh Ilove I’m sure that there are loyal and experienced teachers like you stuck on MPS, schools do love screwing teachers out of their deserved pay (you should be able to get to UPS part time, not to do so is discrimination). I’m not saying that MPS won’t have loyal and experienced teachers, but UPS and leadership teachers should all be. And we’re being penalised for that.

I’m not a teacher.

I’m cross for teachers that a lot will get a below inflation pay rise, so in effect a pay cut. And this is after years of what I imagine are either no pay rises or again below inflation pay rises.

As a parent I see teachers leaving in droves and know the effect that has on kids. Dd had supply teachers in her gcse years for English and science....not just one. She had six different teachers for English in year 10 as they’d do a few weeks and leave! How the hell that can be acceptable I don’t know!

And now I’m worried that if schools are having to fund this then what gets cut? Less staff? Less subjects? I’ve already seen a-level subjects removed because “not enough kids want that subject that year”. And a teacher isn’t replaced. Well what about the 6-7 kids who did want it? What about the kids the next year. And I’m not talking obscure subjects....one was geography fgs! And the kids who’d picked that as their options got three weeks notice that subjects weren’t going to be taught so we’re scrambling about trying to change school for sixth form at the last minute.

I hope people moaning saying teachers have it cushy, etc and should stop complaining don’t have kids at schools! Because this doesn’t just affect the teachers it affects every child in this country and I’m raging.

Yeah and read the small print because the nhs got their first pay checks this month following their pay rise and it’s nothing like what people thought it would be or even what the unions told them it would be. I’ve seen a lot of complaining posts on FB. All those media reports of 25% pay rises and people are getting an extra £15 a month in their pay check. I mean no one apart from the daily mail and their misleading headline thought it would be 25% but people thought it would be more than £15 a month!

And we’re being penalised for that.

Totally agree with that, divide and conquer seems to be the way the profession is going.

In our area it was decided that support staff would no longer get sick pay until day 3 of being ill, this didn't apply to teachers! You can imagine how that impacted upon workplace moral .

It really should be the same increase for everyone.

Jesus wept, Nico £15? Like you I didn't believe the 25%, but £15? More of an insult than anything else>

And DM fodder,of course!

My understanding was it’s being backdated only for GPs and associate specialists so not consultants or junior doctors in training.

But I don’t want to derail the thread about teachers! Really just wanted to make the point that they do all kinds of crazy number stunts to make it sound better than it is.

I got a text from my step mum congratulating me on my pay rise. Hollow laugh.

Seen this one?

www.tes.com/news/teacher-pay-future-rises-could-vary-subject

Think that might be you noble !?

Doea anyone have a link to the actual numbers? Like what amount extra will
I get on ups3?

The nursing union sent out the following email to members yesterday which I think demonstrates just how much they were taken in by the governments fudging of figures and general unclarity. If the unions couldn’t understand it correctly what hope for the members. I’m amazed there isn’t a bigger uproar about this. Everyone was basically lied to but because people voted yes are now told that’s it, you voted for it!

Email:

I wanted to write to you myself over the recent NHS pay deal.
It has come to my attention in the last 24 hours that the deal was not as straightforward as we said and for that I offer you a sincere personal apology.

I’m as dismayed and angry as you are and will fight the corner of members at every turn.

In good faith, we told all members that they would receive a 3% uplift this summer. I now find that this is not the case for everyone.

I can assure you that I am demanding answers for you. In the meantime, I can only apologise for this unnecessary confusion and assure you that I am determined to resolve

So my advice will be don’t believe any actual figures because the chances are it will be a load of bullshit anyway.

Have the teaching unions reacted yet? I haven't seen anything?

I don't believe that I have ever heard you make a positive comment. Are you a masochist

purits I blame your English teacher for your lack of reading skills. Had you bothered for one fecking minute to look at noblegiraffe's posting history you would know that she has consistently, year on year, posted sensible, thoughtful posts on education, based on experience.

Thanks echt :)

Piggy oh that sounds like a logical idea - we can’t get maths teachers because they can get paid more doing other jobs, so lets give them a bigger pay rise. But how will it work in reality? PE teachers would get less of a pay rise because they are nowhere near a shortage subject, but then loads of them get drafted into teaching maths. So do they get a percentage of a maths teacher pay rise depending on how much maths they teach, or would it only apply to qualified maths teachers?
And you just know that primary teachers who work longer hours than secondary in just as poor conditions, will get shafted on pay. It would be horribly divisive.

I just remembered that I started that thread, didn’t I, piggy

Yes, that was another example of your terribly negative posting history iirc.

That’s true

You asked about unions, NASUWT have made a statement:

“Today’s proposals by the Secretary of State will raise expectations of a pay award but will fail to deliver one for all teachers.

“In addition the Secretary of State has compounded the issues by taking the unacceptable step of departing from the recommendation of the Review Body by proposing a differentiated pay award for teachers.

“Ministers will need to explain why some teachers deserve less than others.

“If Ministers are serious about valuing and rewarding teachers, they need to take steps to end the culture rife in schools of only paying teachers what they can get away with.

“This announcement has the potential to make a bad situation worse if schools use the freedoms and flexibilities given to them by this Government to pocket the extra money and deprive teachers of their pay.”

The last bit is worrying. I can easily see some schools not giving teachers their pay - the less reputable ones because they like cheap and disposable teachers and overly paid CEO types, and other schools because they need to fill holes in their budget and can’t afford to give the money to teachers. I assume that schools will be given the funded part of the pay rise regardless of whether they pass it to teachers or not.

Another vote for keep on posting noble. Your threads are very informative.
On the post about nhs pay one poster said she was £1000 down per month. That must have been a typo

Oh yes, those would be the same schools that decide to pocket PP money. Shocking.

Maybe it will be 'ringfenced'. have no real idea waht that means but heads like to use it. when explaining why they don't spend any money

I get confused - have your unions accepted the pay proposal? Is it a done deal or still being negotiated?

In particular they are questioning the timing of the release of the pay announcemnt. It's very cunning, isn't it? Well after schools have set and planned budgets and while schools are out for summer. I am not sure what the union's role is in pay deals for teachers.