3.5% payrise for MPS teachers, below inflation for others WHAT ABOUT RETENTION?

[noblegiraffe]

Teachers’ pay deal has finally been announced on the last possible day as MPs flee the backlash for their summer recess.

3.5% for those on the main pay scale
2% for those on the upper pay scale
1.5% for those on the leadership scale.

Anything above 1% will be funded by the DfE.

Inflation currently stands at 2.3%.

www.tes.com/news/teachers-receive-35-cent-pay-rise

I understand that they need to increase pay at the bottom end to attract graduates into the profession, but am annoyed that loyal and experienced teachers are still getting effective pay cuts.

Good grief.

This is called discussion and debate.

purits you're in The Staffroom. If it bothers you just hide the bloody thing!

Since TES went all weird there aren't many places teachers can have a good moan and share more political info. You'll get nowhere trying to shut them up. This is their forum, after all!

Why are you still a teacher giraffe?

Because I enjoy being in the classroom teaching kids.

Why does that mean I shouldn’t start threads about education policy?

Funding it is going to be the issue with budget cuts.

Why does that mean I shouldn’t start threads about education policy?

I don't believe that I have ever heard you make a positive comment. Are you a masochist.

Teacher/ masochist

Tomayto/ tomato

I notice this salary increase is for school teachers only. There’s no discussion of salaries for teachers in FE colleges who are teaching 16-19yo vocational and academic courses from A-level to BTEC. In many cases they don’t even HAVE a salary scale anymore. The sector is thus in a greater crisis than schools are.

Tis a bit sucky but at least its a payrise. Nobody in my workplace has had any rise in at least three years.

Here you go purits www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_staffroom/3304673-Triumphs-of-the-year

And I didn't post on that one because

a) no triumphs for piggy

and

b) I thought who are you, and what have you done with the real noble and when do I get her back please?

I must have missed that one. The exception that proves the rule?

Maybe there isn’t much positive in current education policy?

The exception that proves the rule?

I’m a maths teacher, you can’t say things like that to me!

Piggy See how few posts that thread got compared to this one? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/3306170-End-of-year-reminder-Flightpaths-are-bollocks-schools-giving-working-at-9-1-GCSE-grades-to-KS3-kids-are-bullshitting
Not just me who prefers a negative thread I reckon...

This Government continuing to shit on public sector workers? Now who would have thought it?!

Nobody in my workplace has had any rise in at least three years.

Teachers have been shafted in the pay department for more than 3 years. Since, ooh, the Tories got in, in fact.

Looks like armed forces, prison officers and Doctors all getting 2%, so below inflation. Probably all very complicated and convoluted as to who gets exactly what, so could even be less than that for a lot of them.

ITV news are accusing the government of a PR stunt over the public sector pay rises.

I don't believe that I have ever heard you make a positive comment. Are you a masochist.

Did you miss all of the helpful comments she makes too? To parents worried about their kids' maths GCSEs? To stressed out teachers?

Keep it up Noble. I am much better informed thanks to your posts!

Does this apply to private schools?

My DH's head (private school) already told his staff they would get 2%. He might need to revise this now...

Thanks MsJane!

Up or down, Piggy? I can’t see a rush of teachers from private to state even if they’re eligible for 3.5%!

The suspicion is that the funding for the extra £500 million that this will cost the DfE will be taken from the School Improvement Fund. Schools that have spent hours and hours writing bids for this money are a bit pissed off.

I’m also a bit suspicious because this money was used last year for back-door expansion of grammar schools but they got given their own funding for expansion this year, and now the other fund has been tapped.

I think his head probably thought that was going to be the same as the state sector. Actually DH only gets paid marginally more than a teacher in a state school. There isn't as large a gap as there used to be.

I'm with you on this one @noblegiraffe

I'm in the lower rungs of Leadership, the significant bulk of my time is in the classroom and I've been teaching for 14 years, but my pay rise will be 2% less than an NQT in my department. If the government want to RETAIN good teachers, they need to demonstrate that they value their experience. This move doesn't do that so is complete lip service.

All it does is feed into a narrative that teachers are over-entitled left-wing moaners who don't know what it's like to work in the 'real world'.

but am annoyed that loyal and experienced teachers are still getting effective pay cuts.

While I understand your frustration and agree the payrise should be equal for everyone across the board, your statement is wrong.

I'm an experienced, and loyal, teacher of 11 years but stuck on mps because when my son was born (just as I reached the end of MP6) and I went part time (0.4) it was agreed that a move to UPS would be tricky with all the extra work involved.

Just because we are down on MPS doesn't mean we are not experienced and loyal.

purits
Why turn up on a thread in 'The Staffroom' about a recent (and poorly timed) government announcement and start having a go at posters?

There's a huge number of teachers on this site who give lots of advice to support people getting around the school system, how to access support etc (as well as saying when people are being ridiculous), yet you (and some other posters) seem to crop up, have a go for zero reason other than it's a teacher thread.

People can like their jobs and still debate a government statement on pay you know.

The pay deal covers Wales too. BUT.... no funding to cover it unlike England where it's to come from the DfE pot.
Massive news coverage of the strife in education funding in Wales this year already, and how schools are having their budgets hugely cut and now a staffing pay rise without any means to pay it.

It's going to be horrific.