Do teachers get paid extra if they go away on a residential trip?

[Nineinchnails]

I was just wondering.

When you see a job advert for a teacher and the salary is say, £30k - does that mean you receive £30k per annum (over 12 months) or is it pro rata'd to take into account unpaid holidays? I thought TA's salaries were always less than stated as it had to be pro rata'd. But I don't recall seeing pro rata mentioned against a teacher's salary.
TA salaries are a totally different contract arrangement to ours. And a total minefield that differs by school and council.
E.g. Council 1 paid £10,000 all year round for a 52 week contract but lowered the pay to £10,000 because they only work term time
E.g. Council 2 paid £16,000 but pro rata it down so it's less on the pay slip to account d for it being term time
E.g. Council 3 want to save money so have decided they'll take the £10,000 TA and want to introduce pro rata to 'bring it into line with other workers' whilst refusing to accept that the pay is lower to account for that so if they want the contracts to match then they should do what council 2 does and increase the technical pay whilst leaving the take home pay the same. Council 3 has problems with TAs going on strike because they're being told to take cuts in wages or be fired.

Teacher salaries are (were) negotiated nationally.

Teachers salaries are as stated, but it's for a contract that states term time only. So if it says you're paid on £30,000 then that's how much you have divided over 12. The holidays have already been factored in. Assuming you work in a school that still uses the burgundy book conditions.

MyOtherProfile
I think that we may be agreeing, that teachers are paid in the holidays but not for the holidays.

And are just disagreeing about how the 1265 hours are accounted for.

Boney.
That's exactly how I read yours and myotherprofile. Both agree paid IN the holidays but not FOR them and only dsgareeing on how directed time is allocated.

Thank you 1981 and Maisy.
So does that mean a teacher is contracted for 12 months? Would a teacher be able to take another job in the summer holidays if they wanted?

Your contact usually runs up to the 31st of August. Or it used to anyway.

Yes I think so Boney.

Snickers this is the problem with academies. They can say anything on a contract now.

JigsawJim
Teachers can take a 2nd job just like anyone else can take a 2nd job.

Not following what you mean by contracted for 12 months. Our contract is for directed time hours, term time only. So in the year thats when we work. As long as the 2nd job doesn't stop us doing that it's fine.

I have colleagues who tutor, lead stage schools/ dance classes, write textbooks, Mark exam papers, run holiday clubs.

The 31st August is a set leaving date if you move jobs. You can generally only leave a post in teaching at Christmas, Easter or Summer. Resignation is usually half a terms notice.

So does that mean a teacher is contracted for 12 months?

No. You are usually on a permanent contract like 'normal' employees. Some people may be on a temporary yearly one though. We are employed for 1265 hours over 195 days plus whatever duties we are required to do to fulfil the role. We are paid in 12 equal monthly instalments.

Thanks. Just wondering about whether teachers need permission to work another job - I understand people who work in a bank (high street or back office) in theory need permission from their manager to take a second job (may be to do with conflict of interest).
So a teacher could in theory work all their holidays in a shop, office or factory for example.

Don't need permission, no.
Though the head would be your reference most of the time so they'd know anyway.

They could work all holidays at a 2nd job in theory, but the reality is that most half terms and a chunk of each break are spent working on school work
It's unlikely people would do another heavy job, but casual hours in something linked to an interest or education aren't uncommon.

My DSis gets paid extra for running clubs in school holidays, £100 a day. She also gets a 'thank you' bonus for any term time trips but prefers not to do them. She is in private sector though.

😂😂😂😂 At the person who thinks that Guide leaders get better food and accommodation than the girls.

As a Brownie and Guide leader I can categorically confirm that I eat the same food as the girls (having supervised their loving preparation) and sleep in the exact same type of bed or floor shared with other leaders. The only perk we sometimes get is an en suite in the leaders' room.

Part time TAs can claim for the extra school hours worked at my school. Doesn't go anywhere near covering the 07:00-09:00 and 15:30-23:30 shifts though.

I come from a teaching family, so am very much team teacher. I'm not a teacher but have a job that involves travelling for days at a time for a group of people (adults but you might not know it sometimes) for no extra pay or TOIL. No business trip on earth (and I've been on them too) compares with being at the beck and call of other people from the moment you wake up to pretty much the minute you fall asleep, including eating all meals with them, responding to their every (petty) demand, bailing them out of police stations, finding doctors at midnight, finding lost people who don't remember the name of the hotel they're staying in, sorting out people who miss flights and trains, and being generally 'at work' from 6am to midnight and beyond. And I can only imagine the additional stress of the real pastoral care involved with children.

Don't discount the stress of getting back from a trip really late and then having to wait for parents to collect the kids. There is always one parent who doesn't turn up. So you are there, at midnight, with a very apologetic child, you are exhausted, husband phoninh you wondering why you aren't back yet, waiting for sodding parents who eventually rock up with no apology at all.

Or the parents who grab kids and never say thank you. Usually the students do. Or the mother who will start whittering on about something to you while you are trying to check that the right students have met the correct parents and aren't wandering off, being grabbed by someone, have the right bags snd belongings.

Or the parents who turned up to the airport on the outbound journey because they just so happened to have booked a last minute holiday to the same place....

Or the student who leaves their passport on a plane in China which then leaves on an internal flight to another obscure part of China.

Or the teenage girl who climbed out of a window and jumped on the back of some local yoof's bike and sped off.

Oh the list is endless! However, most students are lovely.