Do teachers get paid extra if they go away on a residential trip?

[Nineinchnails]

I was just wondering.

I have done business trips and school trips - they are simply not the same. At least at the end of the day on a business trip I could relax in my hotel room for an hour before bed. Not so on a school trip - constant monitoring of corridor behaviour and checking everyone is in the correct room! Equally breakfast and travel time. Not a problem when travelling alone / with a colleague. Major hassle if travelling with teenagers.

Last time dh went on a residential it cost us £100 in child care. He's a TA. He isn't paid.

He enjoys it although it leaves me with an expensive logistical nightmare.

DS just did a weekend away. No pay. Doing it again at the end of the month, same deal. He's young, free and single so an obvious choice for residentials. Luckily he loves it!

Speaking as a teacher and a Cubs leader... I'm not paid for school trips, but I have to pay for myself on Cubs trips. So when I took the Cubs camping for 8 days last summer, I paid for the pleasure if I had to pay to accompany my students we wouldn't do a trip, they are too much of a nightmare for that. And yy to the poster who mentioned subs, we top up Cubs costs with subs money.

When I used to do supply teaching my agency was asked by one school I wen to a lot if I would do a residential geog trip as they couldn't find enough of their own staff. I agreed to do it for an increased daily rate, but on the end they pressganged got one of their own staff to do it for free,

C0untDucku1a
Teachers pay is term time plus 5.6 weeks paid holiday.

Can you find evidence to back that up?

All of my documents state that I am paid for 1265 hours split over 12 months. No link to holiday pay at all.

You have the evidence there Boney. 1265 divided by 195 (number of directed working days in a school year including 5 insets) is 6 and a half hours a day (directed time). So you're paid for those 195 days but split over 12 months so you still get paid in august.

No, but the cost of covering the teachers' classes while they are away, can legitimately be added to the cost of the trip.

Always plenty of volunteers to go though

MyOtherProfile

You are incorrect teachers get paid for 1265 hours contact time, this is time allotted for by the school, this directed time includes meetings, parent evenings etc. so does not include holidays.

your 6.5 hours directed time is flawed.

Well that's interesting Boney because my contract actually specifies 6 and a half hours directed time a day and a non specified amount of non directed time.

It is interesting as the paperwork that I have has a list of all of the directed time that I do and it includes time outside of 9 - 3, specifying meetings, parent evenings and other directed time that is required by the school.

I'm an advisory teacher not a classroom teacher so perhaps different contracts.

The standard teachers pay and conditions are 1265 hours directed by the Head, to include contact time, open and parents' evenings etc, plus (undirected and unquantified) hours for planning/marking etc. The directed hours are set out in the directed time budget every year. It is very clear that you are expected to work more hours than this in order to meet your professional responsibilities.

Places like PGL offer much cheaper rates to Youth organisations. Also Guides and other similar organisations will do fundraising to subsidise the cost e.g. bagpacking. I have never been paid extra for any residentals i have been on.

Yes and 1265 ÷ 195 is still 6 and a half which is the directed time per day. This is just a bit more than the school day so the non directed time is as long as a piece of string.

this shows how your directed time hours are broken down.

Pages 9 and 10

sorry how your directed time could be broken down.

your 6.5 hours are incorrect as they are not specific enough unless you are teaching 6.5 hours.

6.5 per day is far too inflexible for a teaching role in schools. You would easily go over that on Open Evening. That'said why it's up to Heads to set out the directed time budget for the whole year.

Boney that's just an example. It doesn't work for me as an advisory teacher because I don't take registration for example. I'm expected to work 6 and a half hours a day plus whatever number of extra hours it takes to make sure all the admin and follow up is done.

MyOtherProfile

Yes it is an example, but as fallenmadonna has also pointed out your 1265 hours are directed by the school and as the information I linked to pointed out, the 1265 hours are not holiday time.

When you see a job advert for a teacher and the salary is say, £30k - does that mean you receive £30k per annum (over 12 months) or is it pro rata'd to take into account unpaid holidays? I thought TA's salaries were always less than stated as it had to be pro rata'd. But I don't recall seeing pro rata mentioned against a teacher's salary.

The standard rate for a teachers as an hourly rate is £20ph. From my experience that is the expectated rate for supply etc.

At 1265 contact hours over a year, they earn £25000.

Therefore a teacher in their first few years of service is not being paid for 13 weeks holiday a year (it would be £33000 if they were paid for 52 weeks of contact time).

The teachers earning £33k a year are more experienced and have more responsibility (therefore would expect an increased hourly rate.

For the op - coach transport for schools may well be more (brownies I assume is evening or weekend?), subs would subsidise the trip,
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the school trip cost also cover those who can't afford to pay it (I know that always starts a great debate!)

Jigsawjim -

It depends, some do now pro rata it, most don't because they know it would be so contentious and reduce applications. The academies can effectively do what they want with the applications.
They also advertise a 11 month contract ending in July

My 11yo is currently on a 3 day 2 night residential (activity centre) and i found myself wondering about this today funnily enough!

I'm a nurse and for all the stress and grief I wouldn't be expected to stay with my patients for 3 days straight and not be paid for it

Teachers are amazing

I think we are talking at crossed purposes Boney. Nobody suggested they were holiday time. Not even sure what you mean by that.