Do teachers get paid extra if they go away on a residential trip?

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I was just wondering.

Is time off in lieu/ overtime really that normal in other professions?

I work as a project manager for the government and don't get either, despite working weekends etc away from home in my normal 9-5.

DanyellasDonkey
No and if we go away on a day trip or similar and don't get back till 6 or later we don't get paid extra either.
In a way they're worse as you have to set all your cover work then mark it all when you get back (and rebuild your classroom...who steals ALL the chairs whenever you go out on a day trip?! And the whiteboard remote is par for the course as well as your entire drawer of pens, Post Its, precious highlighters) as well as uploading and captioning a million pictures and reading and answering a day's emails that are mostly irrelevant by 8.30pm that day.

No, we're not paid and we're 'on duty' 24/7, dealing with sometimes naughty kids sneaking round the hotel, feeling homesick etc. I got about three hours sleep a night on my last residential.

I do get overtime for going in on Saturdays or in holidays to do revision sessions.

When the teachers take my DC on trips I give the teachers $50 to cover the cost of incidentals because I don't want them paying for it themselves. Bad enough taking 15 kids to the zoo, but having to pay for little Johnnies lunch because mummy packed him something he didn't like is terrible.

I tell the teacher to buy themselves a stiff drink with the leftover money.

Are they "unpaid hours" though? These extras. Surely you are salaried rather than paid by the hour. With my rough maths (and I'm happy to be corrected) considering the full time pay, though many weeks not worked, it would still work out at a pretty generous hourly rate would it not?

No, it's an expected part of the job.

I think it's voluntary/part of the job, same way I didnt get paid or time off when I used to go on business trips twice a month and had to talk shop/socialise with colleagues from other offices when I'd much rather be home.

I don't think that you can compare going on a business trip with having to supervise 30 teenagers 24/7 and sharing a room in a youth hostel with some colleagues.

Supermum Thanks for your thoughtfulness. I did get a bottle of Moët from a mum for taking her Year 12 son on a week long residential (with 35 other students) last term. Obviously her son was the best behaved! And I do get many heartfelt words and emails of thanks from parents. Or they ask us if we're mad to take a bunch of teenagers away for a week (not realising that we have no choice not to go).

My Mum's a teacher and I've been on a few school trips with her as an extra adult (am also a HCP so that can be very useful).

Oh.My.God. Exhausted doesn't cover it .

And no. She got nothing extra and this was the private sector (she said less considerate to state by far).

THANK YOU to all you dedicated teachers

Yeah, in exactly the same way that nurses get paid for doing essential paperwork once their shift has finished!!

The imaginary way!

No payment, no time off in lieu, no time off duty when you're there, very little sleep, personal costs incurred are never paid back, high chance of spending part of the trip cleaning up vomit, high chance of stepping off the coach to be harangued by a parent mithering about something trivial which is nothing to do with you.

We are a very low income family, but I made sure DS made a lovely card for his teacher and the other class teacher who had facilitated the whole year meeting up, with parents in tow, at a fossil beach, which was not accessible by coach, so could not be done by the school!

This was done on a Saturday morning and very much appreciated by those of us who turned up.

I think it's voluntary/part of the job, same way I didnt get paid or time off when I used to go on business trips twice a month and had to talk shop/socialise with colleagues from other offices when I'd much rather be home.

Sorry but the two are completely incomparable

No extra pay. No time in lieu. No thanks from parents or children usually either.

And in reference to the comment made up thread, i had my pay docked half a day for a funeral this year.

Teachers are expected to work a certain number of hours per year - it's all written down. A fairly high % of that is the actual time in a classroom with kids. But then there's the lovely phrase "and other duties as directed". About 20% of the total expected work is given to planning, meetings, grading, parents' eve, spending 1-2-1 with kids needing help, talking to colleagues, going on training courses, etc etc. Obviously, the vast majority of teachers do WAY more than the expected number of hours, and are doing all of those things for free as the pay reflects the expected hours, not the actual hours.

So, every 'extra' thing, like a play or a trip or anything, is unpaid extra done for love. It also explains how the schools get around the ruling about having 11 hours between the end of one shift and the start of another - we 'volunteer' to be at the school play, clearing up until midnight, then back in school just a few hours later.

I did the maths once - if I'd balanced my working hours out over a 48 week year, rather than condensed into the school year - I'd work about 50 hours a week. But most of it gets condensed into termtime, which is why teachers moan so much about how hard they work!

No extra pay but the teachers places are normally free.

The only thing we get paid extra for is lunchtime duty. It used to be £15/hour and is now £5/hour. It also used to be voluntary and was over subscribed. Now there is a rota to adhere to. As the payment went down, so did the number of volunteers

KickAssAngel
Exactly. The directed time budget is set hours for 195 days + inset.

The other thing that bugs me is when people say 'but you're salaried' yes, but my contract states when I'm salaried for. 'But you get paid holidays'. No, I get my term time only pay divided by 12 into equal installments.

School trips in term time are starting to die out around my area anyway because the cost of covering staff is too high and budgets are being cut so it's going to be more holiday working or fewer trips for the next few years.

'But you get paid holidays'. No, I get my term time only pay divided by 12 into equal installments.
This! People have no idea about this. It's why teachers earn less than comparable graduates. We don't get paid for q4 weeks holiday a year. We get paid for a standard amount and the rest is unpaid but the salary is spread over a year. So 13 weeks holiday yes but unpaid for most of it. And of cou2ese nobody actually takes 13 weeks in practice.

Teachers pay is term time plus 5.6 weeks paid holiday.

Chuckling at all those who are trying to compare it to a business trip. Yes, it's exactly the same if you are in loco parentis to all of your colleagues and you have to answer to your boss, all the parents of your colleagues, possibly the legal system, and the Daily Mail if any of your colleagues drink, smoke, take drugs, leave the accommodation without permission, get up to anything with a member of the opposite sex, are unsupervised by you at any time and in that time hurt themselves...

Yes, it's exactly the same

School trips are so stressful - I am always ill afterwards, even from a day. The chances of something happening are so much higher (even though most trips are places that kids go to all the time) and the kids are giddy with the joy of being out of school.

It worries me that costs mean trips are getting rarer, and families can't take kids out of school for educational visits, so for poorer families their children are really having their experiences cut back. It's just another way that the wealthier kids get better/more experiences. Maybe we should go back to the good old days of kids sitting in rows, learning to recite things and never leaving the classroom.

I don't think that you can compare going on a business trip with having to supervise 30 teenagers 24/7 and sharing a room in a youth hostel with some colleagues.

Depends on the business, I have spent every other week for 3 months away from home. In a freezing cold lodge in Switzerland, doing IT testing from 8am - 8/9pm at night (sometimes into the small hours putting in a fix required for first thing the next morning), with few lunch breaks. Then expected to go for a meal at night to discuss plans for the next day. Counselling/supporting the colleagues who are about to snap from stress, dealing with adults over indulgence in alcohol, dealing with the office politics. Getting colleagues to hospital/dentist in a foreign country. Getting in for a few hours kip before getting up to do it all again. Travelling in cattle class on Sunday to get there and Friday night to get back. No extra pay, no time in lieu. Mentally and physically draining.

I choose to work in IT back then so didn't gump about it, it was hard, but my job/chosen career, you choose to work with children, obviously you will have "business trips" and your "business trips" will be centred around them and their needs.

The grass is always greener on the other side and 1 or 2 trips a year sound like a walk in the park to me, but I suspect they aren't, I moved away from IT because I didn't want to do it anymore, you have the same option.

Good point, KickAssAngel, it's a sad situation.

At our school, we have parents, grandparents, etc. coming in to talk about their jobs or - to younger students - places they've lived which is something that I remember as being really exciting from my own school days. And as long as the speakers are happy to come in, there's no cost involved (although admittedly it's increasingly harder to get time off timetable especially when exams. are looming).

We've also done Skype chats with writers.

No don't get paid & as others have said you usually end up having to pay for stuff yourself. We aren't allowed to go out in term time, so takes up half of a half term or a chunk of Easter hols to take a trip away.
I think the price for the guides one might be cheaper as if it is a sort of activity type thing, it could be more expensive to go in term time.
Also some schools that do go out in term time are starting to charge parents for staff cover costs. So this has to be spread out over all the kids. The money would be used by school though, not given to staff as overtime or anything.
Running a trip is really tiring & it is a huge responsibility.
I ran a trip for 4 days of the Easter hols (unpaid) whilst staff who went in to work a few hours doing a revision session for kids got a full day pay :(

Maybe guides are cheaper because it is in holiday time. Places like pgl are cheaper at weekends and holidays than termtime. And are also cheaper at different times of year.