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Ham pr disasters 57! ….continuing the confusion and controversy….

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jeffgoldblum · 25/10/2026 19:46

Once more into the breach dear friends!!

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jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 00:38

I’m disgusted to find on other threads it’s …poor Meghan the victim all the way!! ….nobody cares about these poor children! , yet we should be ashamed! ….please reassure me that this is not normal…that adults care more about the suffering of children than the inane criticism of vapid rich celebrities??!!! Please 🙏

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TheFriendlyCabbage · Yesterday 00:50

The Royal Family, including all the hangers on and adjacent to the RF like the Markles, have enough material for a whole series of Jeremy Kyle.

Surely the end of the RF is now in sight?

Whilst the Markle mess is nothing to do with the core RF, it is just another layer of tawdriness that has been revealed since the 80s. I was brought up to have a healthy respect for the royals, but that has long gone.

I am not a fan of Meghan, and can’t stand her whining spouse, but I feel very sorry for her now. None of her father’s actions are anything to do with her but because she is intensely disliked, people are giving her a kicking because, well she is fair game isn’t she?

If she has any sense she would just live outside of the public eye and live a low key life. All the fame and money are not worth it.

TheFriendlyCabbage · Yesterday 00:54

I feel very sorry for any children that are abused. It’s abhorrent. But as much as Meghan is an annoying narcissist she can’t be held responsible for the sins of her father. This is all a big mystery. She couldn’t investigate her own father, it was up to those who had the jurisdiction to do that.

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 00:55

TheFriendlyCabbage · Yesterday 00:50

The Royal Family, including all the hangers on and adjacent to the RF like the Markles, have enough material for a whole series of Jeremy Kyle.

Surely the end of the RF is now in sight?

Whilst the Markle mess is nothing to do with the core RF, it is just another layer of tawdriness that has been revealed since the 80s. I was brought up to have a healthy respect for the royals, but that has long gone.

I am not a fan of Meghan, and can’t stand her whining spouse, but I feel very sorry for her now. None of her father’s actions are anything to do with her but because she is intensely disliked, people are giving her a kicking because, well she is fair game isn’t she?

If she has any sense she would just live outside of the public eye and live a low key life. All the fame and money are not worth it.

Why on earth would you feel sorry for Meghan? …what about the bloody children? …don’t they count? …are they not important here? …they are powerless! …yet poor Meghan! ….poor Meghan the victim who can’t keep her gob shut …poor Meghan who has made child abuse a pr vehicle all about her!
this is nothing to do with the royal family…this is a purely Markle affair, and no , nobody thinks this reflects on anybody but them.

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Onebigsham · Yesterday 00:59

AllegationsMayVary · 25/10/2026 23:40

Loveless is on the make IMO because if her concerns were for the CSA victims she would have brought her evidence to LE in the appropriate jurisdiction. If the DD of her ex H from 44years perviously hadn’t married a prince she wouldn’t have inserted herself into this. That’s not to say she is lying. It can be both.

We have no idea if the police or MM took the claims seriously - there’s a possibility that MM dismissed her letter as mad ramblings to the police to quieten it down but that’s not her call and it still leaves the Met with the obligation to initiate next steps which they seemed to have failed to do. Interesting that the ex wife interview slated TM but left out CSA - did The Mirror refuse to print allegations without evidence on this charge - but were happy to do so on all her other claims.

MM was already estranged from TM when this letter dropped in Jan 19 and even if she was left confused and not convinced of his guilt as no investigation or evidence materialised she was right IMO to keep her distance to protect her children.

We don’t know whether Loveless did or didn’t report the matter of suspected CSA to the police in her jurisdiction. As she was with Thomas Snr in the 60s/70s, she’s not likely to have had much to go to the police with. No appeals to search for evidence on laptops or the like existed in those days. Do you think the police back then would have taken her seriously if her only evidence was conversations?

We don’t know what she knew about CSA and TMsnr and we don’t know the contents of the letter or even if she wrote it.

As it’s Meghan having a child that appears to have prompted Loveless’s letter (assuming it’s in a similar vein as the Mirror article), then it’s entirely possible she’d have warned Meghan had she been having children with AN Other. We’ll never know though, will we, since Meghan only had children with Harry.

How many letters containing mad ramblings about the royals do you think they receive every week? What next steps should the UK police take on a letter containing unsubstantiated allegations about a US citizen living in Mexico, committing crimes in SEA, and who has never set foot in the UK? They’ve asked the IPCC to look at whether what they did do (whatever that was) was enough.

The letter was sent to royal protection, and if the Mirror article is anything to go by, the purpose of the letter was to tell Meghan to keep Archie away from Thomas senior. Once that message was passed on, and as per my comment above, what else were the UK police meant to do?

Meghan, once warned of suspected CSA, and given her immensely powerful position both sides of the Atlantic, and self described status as a feminist, humanitarian and child safety advocate, could have been the one getting this investigated in the present day, rather than leaving it to an elderly drunk with 50 year old memories of conversations and little else to go on.

AutumnCrowning · Yesterday 01:11

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 00:38

I’m disgusted to find on other threads it’s …poor Meghan the victim all the way!! ….nobody cares about these poor children! , yet we should be ashamed! ….please reassure me that this is not normal…that adults care more about the suffering of children than the inane criticism of vapid rich celebrities??!!! Please 🙏

I think the Meg fans just pile onto MN with their new names and VPNs and unpopular opinions because Mumsnet is considered ‘the place to be’.

Longer term in general, and in reality, HaM will never shift the dial more than half a degree.

These journalists arse licking HaM are the same sort of fools who were ‘progressively’ fawning over all sorts of nutjob causes till relatively recently iykwim <taps side of salty terfy nose>

AutumnCrowning · Yesterday 01:22

She couldn’t investigate her own father, it was up to those who had the jurisdiction to do that.

It seems this is the new script - despite NO-ONE ever asking Meghan to ‘investigate her own father’ fgs. It’s pretty desperate stuff, and quite a weak spot to expose so blatantly today and yesterday pm.

The HaMs really do have terrible PR if they think this is an acceptable holding position to adopt for more than five minutes’ thinking time over a day ago.

BemusedAmerican · Yesterday 01:35

Meghan apparently passes on info from Diana from beyond the grave. Perhaps she can reach out to Loveless.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 04:14

The latest in the Mail

https://mol.im/a/16238013

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 04:18

There’s also this

Ham pr disasters 57! ….continuing the confusion and controversy….
RedTagAlan · Yesterday 04:28

AcrossthePond55 · 25/10/2026 22:46

Thanks for the new thread @jeffgoldblum You deserve a 🥇 for keeping on top of things!

A poster on the last thread asked a question regarding CA's statute of limitations on child sex crimes vis a vis the 2019 alleged letter from Loveless (is it still alleged or do we now consider it confirmed). The thread was closed before I could reply so I'll apologize for forgetting the posters name.

Calif does have a Statute of Limitations (SoL) on some CSA crimes, but there is generally no SoL on crimes involving forced acts. There is also no SoL for continuous acts of any kind with a child under age 14 or any act at all with a child under age 10 (those ages have specific laws & heavier penalties). This pertains to criminal prosecution. As far as CSA crimes that might have a SoL, that is decided on a case by case basis.

There is NO SoL on filing a civil claim against one's abuser.

So whether or not the allegations in the 2019 letter were subject to a SoL is impossible to say. It may be that whatever allegations Loveless made were subject to the SoL and that's why the letters contents weren't considered 'actionable'. But that decision should have been made by CA LE, not the Met. If the Met didn't pass the letter on to CA LE (assuming her allegations were for offenses committed in CA) because they thought the SoL date had passed, then they committed a serious error.

This whole situation is so FUBAR it isn't even funny. Not that it's remotely funny in the first place. And no one involved from M on down has helped the situation one little bit. If everyone had kept their gobs shut and let whatever LE involved investigate, it would have been much better. And any 'truth' that came out of it would have been something people could probably have depended on to be accurate. As it is chances are we will never know the absolute truth.

These threads are so fast moving it's hard to keep up.

Did you see my question to you about Mandated Reporters in California, and if that comes into play ?

The UK does not have such laws. It's a very good law IMO.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 04:56

Just browsing the news, and Metro website has the attached photo.

Meghan Markle told dad 'I know you're an abuser' in final letter | News US | Metro News

I don't know the date of this photo, but as soon as I saw it, I thought, the woman in the background, she is the double of Anna Sorokin. In the court case photos.

I know it does not add to the chat, just an observation of how alike people can look.

Ham pr disasters 57! ….continuing the confusion and controversy….
BunnyBunbunbun · Yesterday 05:32

TheFriendlyCabbage · Yesterday 00:50

The Royal Family, including all the hangers on and adjacent to the RF like the Markles, have enough material for a whole series of Jeremy Kyle.

Surely the end of the RF is now in sight?

Whilst the Markle mess is nothing to do with the core RF, it is just another layer of tawdriness that has been revealed since the 80s. I was brought up to have a healthy respect for the royals, but that has long gone.

I am not a fan of Meghan, and can’t stand her whining spouse, but I feel very sorry for her now. None of her father’s actions are anything to do with her but because she is intensely disliked, people are giving her a kicking because, well she is fair game isn’t she?

If she has any sense she would just live outside of the public eye and live a low key life. All the fame and money are not worth it.

If people are giving Meghan a "kicking" it's because of how she handles things, her hypocrisy, her narcissism. Even here, instead of just staying quiet, she jumps in with a "hard-hitting" statement trying to justify herself, to proclaim herself the great victim, wronged by all, yet at the same time the great protector (yet only of her own children) and carry on her digs at the media while getting into bed with the worst of them and using all of them if it suits her (e.g. showing them copies of letters). Yet even here, she's so impetuous she couldn't even be bothered to get the date right. She obviously isn't listening to PR people or lawyers and thinks only she knows best, thus showing herself up as someone who should be nowhere near public life.

Rather than showing the royal family up, on the contrary, she is proving their decision to distance themselves from her to be the right one. The comparison between Harry and Meghan with William and Catherine also highlights just how great William and Catherine are and also what real public service is. She is also underlining just how correct the royal policy of simply shutting up is. If Meghan really felt the need to release a statement, she could have released a much better one than she did.

And while it's not her job to ensure investigations are conducted, I'm surprised she didn't seem to care at all. What I'm really wondering about, however, is why she simply cut her father off instead of confronting him and asking him to explain himself. It should also be borne in mind that we don't know what this 2019 letter contained, but the UK police seem to have seen it as something or from someone that was more of a threat to Meghan (perhaps a "fixated" writer) rather than something that contained serious allegations about her father. It seems like she's trying to retrofit her brother's allegations against their father to justify herself, yet things don't quite fit, e.g. the dates, also underlined by her getting the date wrong.

Meghan has also completely destroyed the image she's been trying to build as a cutesy, homey influencer/retailer, and is bad news for any charities or organisations that may have considered doing something with her. She really doesn't understand how to be a public figure, because she's so arrogant.

BunnyBunbunbun · Yesterday 05:38

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 04:28

These threads are so fast moving it's hard to keep up.

Did you see my question to you about Mandated Reporters in California, and if that comes into play ?

The UK does not have such laws. It's a very good law IMO.

"Did you see my question to you about Mandated Reporters in California, and if that comes into play ?

"The UK does not have such laws. It's a very good law IMO."

Meghan lived in California for about six years after apparently learning that her father is an alleged child abuser. What's the reason she didn't bother to report him then? Even her dumb brother tried to contact the FBI from the Philippines.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 05:52

BunnyBunbunbun · Yesterday 05:38

"Did you see my question to you about Mandated Reporters in California, and if that comes into play ?

"The UK does not have such laws. It's a very good law IMO."

Meghan lived in California for about six years after apparently learning that her father is an alleged child abuser. What's the reason she didn't bother to report him then? Even her dumb brother tried to contact the FBI from the Philippines.

I don't know if she would be classed as a Mandated Reporter in California. That's Why I am just asking for clarification.

But yes, given her involvement in abuse charities, It is possible she is Mandated. But nothing in the code that I can see confirms so. The poster I was asking seems to know Cali law.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 05:56

TheFriendlyCabbage · Yesterday 00:54

I feel very sorry for any children that are abused. It’s abhorrent. But as much as Meghan is an annoying narcissist she can’t be held responsible for the sins of her father. This is all a big mystery. She couldn’t investigate her own father, it was up to those who had the jurisdiction to do that.

No is holding her responsible for her dad’s alleged abuse of children. She’s being held responsible for her duplicity and conveniently forgetting when she received the letter in order to muddy the waters of when she went no contact with her father.

Is the RF on the way out because of what’s going on? No. It’s absolutely nothing to do with them and at all.

BunnyBunbunbun · Yesterday 06:19

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 05:52

I don't know if she would be classed as a Mandated Reporter in California. That's Why I am just asking for clarification.

But yes, given her involvement in abuse charities, It is possible she is Mandated. But nothing in the code that I can see confirms so. The poster I was asking seems to know Cali law.

She may not have been mandated, but there seem to be easier routes to reporting child abuse in California and the US. In her father's case, it would be historic child abuse, but there was nothing to stop her from reporting on incidents that may have occurred in the US or even abroad by a US citizen.

Again, however, we don't actually know what was in that letter. I'm not convinced it's as straightforward as she tried to present it.

Chaostheory12 · Yesterday 06:20

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Yesterday 04:14

The latest in the Mail

https://mol.im/a/16238013

Edited

I know this is a bit off topic but why has Meghan's face completely changed? She is unrecognisable from the person she was in the UK. She's got huge teeth and her face shape is different. Her hands look different. She actually looks like someone else.

Cismyfatarse · Yesterday 06:20

Police suspect Meghan’s father is ‘grossest kind of sex offender’

https://www.thetimes.com/article/468f4a84-2a5d-40b7-869f-8afd1b7003e5?shareToken=fc86af1787a2d90676368149f0f9b633

Cismyfatarse · Yesterday 06:22

What did Meghan know about her father Thomas Markle — and what happens next?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a78b594a-f7bf-4369-96d8-a4910f09bbde?shareToken=5e042e1831e929bdd2cf1c771f95ff9f

BunnyBunbunbun · Yesterday 06:23

The full quote from the Filipino government minister is:

“In these cases where family disputes are mixed up, we have to consider all the angles. Right now all signs point to a possible sex offender of the grossest kind. We want to be sure before we release the findings. The forensics data will be complete in a week.”

Which has a slightly different spin.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/25/thomas-markle-sr-philippines-investigation

Signs suggest Thomas Markle Sr may be ‘sex offender of the grossest kind’, says Philippine minister

Exclusive: Forensic analysis of found images continues as Meghan’s father denies possessing child sexual abuse images

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/25/thomas-markle-sr-philippines-investigation

MindThePause · Yesterday 06:31

The bit that I don't understand is why a woman from New Mexico addressed her letter to the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre (FTAC) - how did she know to address it there? Did someone help her? Also yet another handwritten letter...

People mag published in 2018 IIRC that Sister Markle was on their official fixated person radar. Something that Sister Markle denied and again IIRC was proved right not that long ago.

So Ex Wife 1.0 Markle would have had knowledge of the existence of the unit through the media, a belief that a letter from anybody with a close Markle family connection would raise correspondence up the priority list and presumably the ability to work out where to send the letter so it arrived where she wanted it to go.

Ex Wife 1.0 and Sister Markle were estranged for a period up until shortly before her death but I don’t know when the estrangement began.

DontLiveByTheClouds · Yesterday 07:01

jeffgoldblum · 25/10/2026 23:47

@DontLiveByTheClouds! Behave yourself! , what have pies to do with surrogacy? ..nothing…you owe this poster an apology and should focus on the poster who did bring it up!

I did apologise if you'd carried on reading.

nicegreenwillow · Yesterday 07:09

What I don't understand is why both his ex wives left Thomas Markle with their young children? There's no evidence that Doria knew anything, so she must have been happy to leave young Meghan with him. I'm guessing that the first wife had no suspicions until later, though? What a horrible state of affairs.

StrawberryWasp · Yesterday 07:11

If his first wife knew of his child abuse before they divorced. I cannot believe she told no one about this until writing this letter and sending it to the MET.

I'm sure these allegations and suspicions about his behaviour must have been around in the family for decades. A dark shameful secret they chose to ignore or not believe.

I cannot believe Doria was totally unaware. That the first wife never told her. I can't believe she never told Meghan or that Meghan never heard about dad's trips to Thailand.

I just cannot believe this letter was the first time this information ever came to light in this family.

Families often hold secrets for decades. Particularly shameful ones. And it's hard when it all comes out to be clear about what was known.

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