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Ham pr disasters 57! ….continuing the confusion and controversy….

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jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 19:46

Once more into the breach dear friends!!

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nicegreenwillow · Today 10:54

Mylovelygreendress · Today 10:45

That what I assumed . They don’t seem to have secure income streams and although they are rich by most people’s standards, they are not rich by A list standards .
I firmly believe they thought A and L would be the route back in , that KC would fall in love with the little HaMlets and invitations to Sandringham etc would ensue .
I am also wondering how the notoriously private Ian Wace is feeling about the HaMs staying on his property ? I would imagine the media know where the house is .

Well, they've certainly shared plenty of detail on sm. As per.

pipinghot · Today 10:55

IcedPurple · Today 10:47

"Absolute proof", no. This isn't a court of law.

But it's been obvious from the Great Return that the Sussexes have some sort of 'arrangement' with The Sn. Several clearly planted stories. She also had a 'friend' go as far as 'thanking' The Sn for their work a few days ago. Yes, the great warrior against the 'British press' is thanking the sleaziest scummiest tabloid of them all.

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Even in a court of law it isn't absolute proof. Just 'beyond reasonable doubt'. But anyway we digress. I suppose i was asking about how we know for sure (or not) that she talked to the sun. So it's still not definitive, but possibly likely, then. It just seems so bizarre that they'd even think about talking to the sun, even if only through 'sources'.

PullTheBricksDown · Today 10:56

AllegationsMayVary · Today 10:46

Interesting that BP have declined to comment - if they didn’t know it would be easier and more transparent just to say so. The Met say they passed the letter to The Office of H&M - we don’t know yet which royal officials saw it, logged it on passed it on within the RF system

My guess is that not commenting right now is the wisest choice. We've already seen the result of Meghan jumping right in.

pipinghot · Today 10:58

PullTheBricksDown · Today 10:56

My guess is that not commenting right now is the wisest choice. We've already seen the result of Meghan jumping right in.

yeah. they're not going to touch this with a bargepole. Poor old Charles - last years of his life tainted by his youngest son, dil and her family too.

ChubbyCheeksCharlie · Today 11:04

CoffeeCantata · Today 10:09

I agree Diana wasn't always the best judge, but something tells me she would have disliked M on first meeting. Apart from anything else, D needed to be the star - and someone who clearly intended to be front and centre, and was prepared to use sharp elbows to get there, wouldn't have gone down well with Diana. Who knows also how she'd have taken to any women in the life of 'her boys'? She sacked Barbara Barnes for being too popular with them, and was very nasty to Tiggy.

But that's just a guess!

People always say, "oh Diana would have loved Kate," but that's ignoring who Diana showed us to be while alive and just running with the Saint Diana fairytale that was formed in the nations psyche after her death.
Catherine is very level headed, neuro typical as can be, and wise as well as being from that dreaded middle class. I think Diana would have been a pain in the neck, quite frankly.

Mylovelygreendress · Today 11:12

AllegationsMayVary · Today 10:46

Interesting that BP have declined to comment - if they didn’t know it would be easier and more transparent just to say so. The Met say they passed the letter to The Office of H&M - we don’t know yet which royal officials saw it, logged it on passed it on within the RF system

Have they declined or simply not said anything ?
Why would they comment ? HaM are private citizens , not working members of the RF .
And you can be sure that any statement would be dissected and criticised. Remember the directive from KC last month ?

PullTheBricksDown · Today 11:13

pipinghot · Today 10:55

Even in a court of law it isn't absolute proof. Just 'beyond reasonable doubt'. But anyway we digress. I suppose i was asking about how we know for sure (or not) that she talked to the sun. So it's still not definitive, but possibly likely, then. It just seems so bizarre that they'd even think about talking to the sun, even if only through 'sources'.

Copying this over from a post by @CantBeArsedToThinkOfAName at the tail end of the last thread, as it addresses this
This what I got back from AI (I know but I cbarsed to trawl through individual newspaper reports)
You have spotted a highly telling detail: when The Sun published the breaking story on Thursday night, they did not state that they had contacted the Sussexes for comment—instead, they already had a "source close to Meghan" quoted directly inside the original article.As you pointed out, standard journalistic practice means newspapers usually explicitly write "Representatives for the Duchess of Sussex were contacted for comment." The fact that they didn't need to do that confirms that Meghan's camp wasn't blindsided by a surprise article on Thursday night.The text of the original exclusive reveals how the communication actually played out:

This directly reinforces your logic. The Sun did not drop this as a sudden, unexpected trap for the Sussexes. Meghan's team was involved in the story's rollout from the very beginning, allowing her response to be seamlessly deployed the moment the public saw the headline.

nicegreenwillow · Today 11:13

ChubbyCheeksCharlie · Today 11:04

People always say, "oh Diana would have loved Kate," but that's ignoring who Diana showed us to be while alive and just running with the Saint Diana fairytale that was formed in the nations psyche after her death.
Catherine is very level headed, neuro typical as can be, and wise as well as being from that dreaded middle class. I think Diana would have been a pain in the neck, quite frankly.

She wasn't particularly nice to many of the women in her life.

AtIusvue · Today 11:15

Do you think it was timed with the Sun for it to come out Thursday evening because many kids break up for the Oct holiday on the Friday 23rd- many kids don’t do the half day, already travelling.

That the Sussex’s were able to make their exit to Portugal.

Could you imagine all this coming out with the kids at school. I think this was organised to allow the kids to be somewhat protected.

Which makes you think how much time had Meg had ahead of this. Not that it did her PR strategy any good!

PammyPrang · Today 11:17

I am just thoroughly confused about how this has all transpired.

So a letter is written by TM’s ex-wife, probably around the time MM came into public view. How was the letter sent? If I wanted to dob a prominent US person (or even one in UK) in it i wouldn’t have a clue how to make sure the info reached the right department. Did she send it to “Scotland Yard” or “Buckingham Palace”? Was the letter floating about for a while, dismissed as being from some crank? How did it reach the Met?

Why is M carrying this letter around? Did she ask TM if it were true? I can imagine she was beyond embarrassed and that may have prompted the desire to brush the sordid business under the carpet.

I wonder if all this had been uncovered prior to the wedding. I believe there was a bit of an internet clean-up on M’s behalf (eg first wedding photos) but what else was uncovered?

AtIusvue · Today 11:18

There’s no way Meg or Harry could show their faces at school while the immediate heat of this story was going.

It will settle down, but it looks like it was all planned to give Meg an easier ride.

ChubbyCheeksCharlie · Today 11:24

AtIusvue · Today 11:15

Do you think it was timed with the Sun for it to come out Thursday evening because many kids break up for the Oct holiday on the Friday 23rd- many kids don’t do the half day, already travelling.

That the Sussex’s were able to make their exit to Portugal.

Could you imagine all this coming out with the kids at school. I think this was organised to allow the kids to be somewhat protected.

Which makes you think how much time had Meg had ahead of this. Not that it did her PR strategy any good!

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I don't know which school the HaMlets are at (if any) but private schools had already been on holiday for almost a week by the time the story broke. And I doubt MM does the school run.
ETA. Ignore! I see that Oxfordshire prep schools half terms are a week behind ours.

Kingsandqueenz · Today 11:26

smilesy · Today 10:53

Not really. They don’t comment on most things. As no one is entirely sure what is going on here, I would say that’s the best thing to do. It is certainly what Meghan should have done

It's got nothing to do with Buckingham Palace. Harry & Meghan left the Royal Family, they aren't working royals, get invited to no Royal events or family gatherings.

The royal family owe H&M nothing they are gone, they decided to leave, they chose to be private citizens years ago.

Lunde · Today 11:27

Chaostheory12 · Today 07:14

I wonder this too. It's very odd for two wives to leave their kids with the father and just more or less abandon them. I know M saw her mother occasionally but she wasn't a consistent parent. Doria was also very young when she met TM. I can't remember if Roslyn was too. He seems to have gone for young immature women who then left him with the child/children.

In addition Thomas never remarried or seems to have had any real relationship after Doria left him and Doria has never remarried and never seems to have had a relationship with anyone else publicly. It's bizarre.

Thomas and Roslyn were only a year apart in age - they were both young when they married.

Roslyn didn't really "leave the children" - she got full custody and moved with them to New Mexico, but around a year later she sent them back to Thomas but could of retrieved them presumably. Her daughter says there were serious substance abuse issues in Roslyn's home - Roslyn was an alcoholic who got into a relationship with a heroin addict which caused the situation in the home to deteriorate.

Rhaidimiddim · Today 11:28

AllegationsMayVary · Today 10:46

Interesting that BP have declined to comment - if they didn’t know it would be easier and more transparent just to say so. The Met say they passed the letter to The Office of H&M - we don’t know yet which royal officials saw it, logged it on passed it on within the RF system

I like that BP have declined to comment
it makes it clear this is not their circus, not their clowns. It really does underline BP's stance that HAM are outside the RF circle, and the RF's just not interested in their drama and mess.

nicegreenwillow · Today 11:31

Rhaidimiddim · Today 11:28

I like that BP have declined to comment
it makes it clear this is not their circus, not their clowns. It really does underline BP's stance that HAM are outside the RF circle, and the RF's just not interested in their drama and mess.

Absolutely!
H&M: "we don't want to be part of the institution because we want to be totally independent"
BP; "ok"
H&M fans; "the institution is responsible"
Make it make sense!

pipinghot · Today 11:32

Rhaidimiddim · Today 11:28

I like that BP have declined to comment
it makes it clear this is not their circus, not their clowns. It really does underline BP's stance that HAM are outside the RF circle, and the RF's just not interested in their drama and mess.

One wonders if KC et al knew all of this crap when they issued that definitive letter about them being private citizens now.

AutumnCrowning · Today 11:38

nicegreenwillow · Today 09:52

Harry is pernicious, isn't he? What a nasty man. All for money. Well I hope all the £millions he made from trashing his loved ones make him happy.

Yes, and if his family members won’t help out HaM now, well then he’s sown the wind and is reaping the whirlwind.

It also reminds me: does anyone remember that thing Harry wrote, ‘They know what they did’? That seems even more like complete bollocks now. We’re actually starting to learn a lot about what Meg did, actually, mate, with you enabling it, with a lot more to come out.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Today 11:39

mysoddenbananabread · Today 10:33

While I think this is slightly off topic I don't know why you are shocked. Living in the Middle East you will know that there are several countries in the ME and in the further Muslim world where child brides are common. Just because the term " marriage" is used doesn't make it any better.

Amongst other things I’m shocked that people/countries who take the moral high ground have their own backyard to clean up.

And I’m sorry but I have absolutely no experience of childbrides. It’s something I’ve heard about but it’s not part of my life experience and I can’t even recall having a conversation with anyone about it here.

The age of consent here is 18, and people have to be 18 to get married however a judge can rule that a person can get married before that. Figures I’ve just read showed that in 1989 when the county was 18 years old 51% of girls were married before the age of 18. In 2014 which are the latest figures I can find it was 4% with 1% being married before the age of 15.

I have never attended a wedding where the girl/woman wasn’t at least a school graduate after 12 years of education and working (probably after college at least for a couple of years).

It’s education, education, education all the way here and I think I’d pass out if I came across any family where a young girl was married. I’m actually having palpitations thinking about it, the concept of it is so alien to anything I know in the part of the world where I am. I think the last figures I saw in the paper for the average age to get married was the late 20’s.

Now back to Harry and Meghan.

IcedPurple · Today 11:40

Rhaidimiddim · Today 11:28

I like that BP have declined to comment
it makes it clear this is not their circus, not their clowns. It really does underline BP's stance that HAM are outside the RF circle, and the RF's just not interested in their drama and mess.

Absolutely. Why on earth would BP want to get dragged into Meghan's mess?

If only Meghan had cultivated the ability to think twice before rushing out 'statements' on this, that and the other, her life might not be the shambles it is now.

Puzzledandpissedoff · Today 11:40

Passingthroughagain · Today 08:04

The Sun this morning is running an article detailing the inventory of everything that was recovered by Thomas Markle Jr from his dad's belongings. It's very clear The Sun journo went through the boxes and I think the newspaper also sent the videos to independent IT specialists before TMJ handed the stuff into the police. How can they possibly stage a fair investigation now when the evidence has clearly been tampered with?

I suppose they could claim Thomas Jnr gave them the inventory, Passingthroughagain, but it still comes back to why the hell this is being shared with hacks rather than the "proper" authorities getting precedence ("proper" being in inverted commas because this is after all the corruption-riven Philippines)

No doubt he wanted the $$$$, but it's hardly done any necessary enquiry any favours

nicegreenwillow · Today 11:42

There is no legal age of consent in Oman, because it is only permitted in marriage.
Girls and women do not have equal rights.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Today 11:42

AtIusvue · Today 11:18

There’s no way Meg or Harry could show their faces at school while the immediate heat of this story was going.

It will settle down, but it looks like it was all planned to give Meg an easier ride.

It’s interesting you’ve said that as it’s only a week ago where we were having pictures of them
almost everyday when they were out for lunch together or Meghan was meeting pls in London for lunch.

Now they seem to have gone to ground.

nicegreenwillow · Today 11:42

AutumnCrowning · Today 11:38

Yes, and if his family members won’t help out HaM now, well then he’s sown the wind and is reaping the whirlwind.

It also reminds me: does anyone remember that thing Harry wrote, ‘They know what they did’? That seems even more like complete bollocks now. We’re actually starting to learn a lot about what Meg did, actually, mate, with you enabling it, with a lot more to come out.

It always sounds like an ugly threat to me.

Lunde · Today 11:44

Passingthroughagain · Today 09:11

I know exactly what you mean about not wanting to be an apologist. It's the way the story has unravelled that makes it all seem so shady. I've just seen a video of TMJ, clearly very drunk (his sister Samantha says he's an alcoholic like their mum was) pretending to talk to a person everyone is assuming is M and asking for money to help her rehabilitate her image. It's really suss.

TMJ seems a very dubious character - IIRC - while HAM were dating - TMJ was arrested and charged with DV for holding a gun to his gf's head.