Harry & Meghan

[Idayatatime]

I'ts wonderful to see Harry & Meghan happy & smiling & back in the UK supporting their charities.

Regardless whether people agree or disagree with their return, like all families we may not always agree,we may even fall out for long periods of time. The important thing is finding it in our hearts to forgive while leaving bitterness in the past. Above all we must consider the unforgiving legacy we may leave behind & the children who can never be happy & fulfilled being brought up within a fueding family.

Yes it was Charles and Catherine who were accused of making a racist comment.By Meghan who wasn't present but told of the conversation by Harry. They let that hang for 2 years over the senior royals, though said it wasn't HMTLQ. Harry then retracted somewhat saying it was unconscious bias.

I hyst think that was entirely unforgivable.

Same here. Harry told Tom Bradby that they'd never accused the RF of racism...the British press had. I can't decide if it's spite, wilful ignorance, or having the worst memory in human history.

Or just that they realised (eventually) that it hadn’t had the desired effect - people didn’t believe it and felt sorry for the RF being on the receiving end of such malicious lies. Especially the PoW, who was apparently the sister Harry always wanted, until he turned on her for some reason.

Yes, could be. They obviously thought the "racism" would be an effective weapon, but of course, the plot had too many holes.
What's the saying? If you're going to lie, have a good memory.

Yes - and come up with something vaguely plausible. Accusing the PoW and Charles of racism was a poor choice I think. Why not have a go at the RF because of Andrew, surely the most obvious and easy line of attack, but apparently not a word must be said against him.

The targeting of those two is interesting though - I’m starting to wonder whether the plan was to discredit Charles and the Waleses and then come swanning back when QE2 begged them to return and save the monarchy. Or something. Just bizarre.

Yes, indeed. Always attacking the Wales'. I am always amazed that the pair of them never, ever criticised Andrew, or Sarah.
Kate gets slagged off for not sharing lip gloss, but Andrew gets absolutely no negative remarks. Whatsoever 🤔

The harsh truth is that H is stupid and no-one has ever dared to tell him that because of his privileged status. He now comes out with breathtakingly dumb remarks (no longer filtered by the MiGS) and has no clue about how idiotic he comes across.

I honestly feel that his whole modus operandi comes from Meghan now. He looks to her for everything, believes she knows best and just does what he's told. Her judgement is very faulty and she's a complete narcissist only interested in money and fame, literally nothing else. So the result is an absolute mess. She also doesn't understand his background or the values he grew up with and doesn't like any of his family or friends. He isn't very intelligent and he's emotionally stunted without any support network or anyone who has his best interests at heart. Perhaps his Uncle and Aunts, but Spencer seems to have a very wonky moral compass also.

And also M has her own agenda - and always has, which doesn’t necessarily chime with H’s best interests. H is too dim to realise this.

Mmmm.

I think most ordinary people didn’t think it beyond the realms of possibility that Meghan experienced a degree of racism, or at least, as Harry called it, unconscious bias, when she joined the RF.

She also said that the extreme racism of the tabloids was one of the major reasons why she had to leave and I can quite understand that.

I’m genuinely baffled why her claims are dismissed so readily when you look at the evidence?

Having read Entitled, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the RF put pressure on Harry, through legal or financial means, to back track on his original statement.

I’m not saying every member of the household is racist, but as Harry explained himself in Spare, he thought it was acceptable to call an army colleague a racist nn, before he married Meghan and became more enlightened, and he was a product of his upbringing.

British aristocracy is a very white, traditional, insular group of people and the RF is quite a closed shop within that. As we know they inter-marry. A lot of their wealth and raw materials for their jewellery was accrued through the profits of slavery. BP didn’t employ ethnic minorities in senior positions for a long time and in the late 1960s and ‘70s, royal aides used the "Queen's consent" legislative procedure to exclude the monarch and the royal household from anti-discrimination legislation, such as the Race Relations Acts, Sex Discrimination Act, and Equal Pay Act.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal

And we know, Prince Philip, who was a very prominent force in his family, used extremely racist terms in public , heaven knows what he thought it was acceptable to say in private! He has a long, well-documented history of making racist, xenophobic, or culturally insensitive remarks while on official duties.

People always argue that Prince Philip’s racism should be excused because he was old and it was “just banter” but my late father was born to a white family in a small country village in the UK just before PP, and served as a professional soldier, he also lived to a great age, and I never heard him utter a racist word in his entire life!

In 2012, AMW was accused of using the N-word + woodpile expression during a trade policy meeting by a senior advisor to David Cameron called Rohan Silva.

And in 2007, Jacqui Smith, former Home Secretary, stated that AMW made offensive and racist comments about Arabs, including "camel jokes," during a state dinner at BP hosted for the Saudi royal family.

What is just as bad is that on both of these occasions, Buckingham Palace defended the former PA very emphatically, asserting that he didn’t tolerate racism in any form.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-racist-arabs-saudi-royal-family-dinner-jacqui-smith-epstein-a9209391.html

And of course there was the Blackamoor brooch incident only nine years ago, when Princess Michael of Kent attended a BP pre-Christmas lunch, where MM was being introduced to the wider family for the first time.

So that is evidence of racism in at least three generations of the same family.

I think you have a point. She knew that the racism claims, even broad and unevidenced, would be inflammatory. Ok Harry backtracked, so we know none of that happened, but I do wonder why he's gone along with so many lies.

@Fairweathersorties9

Meghan and Harry have proven they will say whatever they like when it suits them even in a court of law.

Therefore all of the examples you can collect of other people using racist terms or wearing jewelry is not going to convince thinking people to believe their Oprah “revelations”.

Even then they openly lied, saying Archie would not be made a prince because of his skin color and so that he would not be granted security.

“Ordinary people” are not stupid and can see the attempts at manipulation.

On the other hand, Harry as the adult who only learned racism is bad when he met Meghan and she rescued him from the fog is a quite the modern fairy tale.

Yes, it’s interesting that they picked on Charles and Catherine, not Andrew or the DoE or Princess Michael, isn’t it. I don’t think people believed it of those two. And the claim that Archie wasn’t a prince and therefore couldn’t have security also undermined the whole story, as it was an outright lie.

Harry of course has his own long history of racism - do you truly believe it was the RF’s fault that Harry, a man in his 20s, used racist language? Using your own argument that Philip’s racism shouldn’t be excused because your dad wasn’t racist, surely Harry’s casual and overt racism shouldn’t be excused either, because of all the people of his age and class who are not racist, not least his brother and cousins?

In any case, it didn’t stop with the comments about his army colleagues - “don’t worry, she’s not black or anything”, his defence of Lady Hussey when she was forced to resign and the repulsive stuff about how wonderful that his genes beat Meghan’s, it all points in one direction.

TLDR: there’s no evidence that Charles or Catherine are racist, unlike Harry himself, Andrew, Philip and Princess Michael, never mentioned, and Lady Hussey, excused.

@LookOutLookOutTomCruiseIsAbout - they would never criticise Andrew, or Sarah Ferguson.

Or their recollections varied with the truth. They usually do.

I’m sure they attacked the Waleses for 2 main reasons: H was eaten up with jealousy of William and M was similarly consumed with jealousy of Catherine. But also, they attacked them and left the known nasty people alone for the same reason Russia and China sponsor attacks on them - because they’ll be the next King and Queen.

Where would the fun be in telling us what most people already know about PMof K and AMW?

It tells me they don't have a problem with AMW. Anyway they've always been good friends with the Yorks, as was.

Harry has been found to be a proven liar again and again and again. When the Jeff will people stop giving the dishonest cretin any form of playform/soapbox. I’m sooo bored of the disingenuous drivel that emanates from him.

Oh I think all but the most ardent fans have got the measure of him at this point.

Obvs meant to be platform in my post above but it won’t let me edit🤦‍♀️

I agree. She has caused untold damage.

Definitely. Their few defenders on here are noticeably desperate these days.

I heard an interesting interview with Andrew Lownie yesterday about Diana and he said that when she left the RF she did not use her status for money. While she was probably looking for a wealthy man perhaps for protection, she did not blatantly use her role to make cash.
And I agree.
Then I watched some of Harry’s GQ interview and it clicked, it really is all about the money now. We already know about all of his feelings, all of them.
But now he’s saying he wants reconciliation but ‘someone else’ doesn’t.
If he’s had that much therapy than they would give cause for reflection. Why does his brother not want to skip and hold hands?

1. because the Oprah interview was very damaging. Not only was the late Queen ill and her husband dying, it was unkind to Catherine.
2. the Netflix series, the same. Also film of shit footage.
3. Catherine was ‘outed’ as one of the racists. I understand both both boys went through a terrible tragedy. I understand feeling like the spare must feel strange. I wouldn’t want to grow up in that family it just be hard work. And I never agreed with the original unpleasant coverage aimed at Meghan when it turned up. However, in 2026, what do they actually want? I don’t think it’s to do good deeds unless there is cash attached. They moan about the press, have both lied in court, and constantly feed PR headlines. They were both a bit delusional to start with. They wanted to leave which is their choice. So then leave and forge a different path. 2027 is going to be all about selling Diana, again. I loved her but the blueprint she created with that interview was a dangerous one. I know she was coerced but it was a huge mistake. But at least she didn’t do it for money…. Edited to add - AMB is another level of treachery and criminal behaviour which has stained that family and the late Queen was a fool to enable him as she did.

This is how the Sussex defenders interpret the negative media about Harry. One example