Royal row between King Charles and Earl Spencer 3

[Viviennemary]

A new thread and book not even published till Tuesday. I checked on Amazon and its only 12th on the non fiction bestseller list. Doesn't show Earl Spencer in a very good light imho.

He makes me cringe. His Julian Clary voice, his smirks, his history of failed relationships putting him in no position to judge anyone. It was reported that he wasn't a great support to Diana when she was alive, so is this all guilt and shame manifested in blaming others?

He's hanging on to the coat tails of this tragedy to maintain some kind of fame, relevance and obviously for financial reward.

If he wanted to do the right thing by his sister he'd stfu.

It is corroboration.

If William said to Harry “stop using Archie and Lili to promote As Ever” that would be all fine and dandy, would it? I think we all know the answer to that…

Quite.

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means …” 😀

You are criticising his voice? Why are you saying it is a Julian clearly voice? Are you saying he is camp? Gay? What?
Such an odd criticism.

Of what Spencer said. Not of what KC said or didn’t say.

If CS can bring someone out who says “I heard KC say this” that would be corroboration. This is not corroboration of KC’s words.

But you can tell anyone anything you like. That doesn’t make it a true recollection of what happened, even if you tell them soon afterwards but you have misunderstood the situation (or are just outright making shit up). How does just telling someone something make it a fact?

It was about whether H and W should walk behind Diana’s coffin .

Charles wanted them to .
Spencer was against it .

There’s a lot of credulity on this thread - and a worrying lack of critical thinking.

But most of all, it’s quite hilarious the way the truly unpleasant Charles Spencer, who most MNers would normally roundly condemn, is unquestioningly trusted to be telling the truth.

Charles Windsor has not denied it .
He must be concerned that Spencer is holding more back- well we know he is - he said so .

The Windsors deny plenty - even when they know it’s true - as in the case of Virginia Guifree .
Yet this has not been denied .

And it is not ‘gossip’ as in inconsequential.

This is how our unelected above the law head of state and head of the Church of England spoke about the mother of his children within hours of her death.

‘We will forget her soon enough’

This is relevant information.

Charles Windsor swiftly issued his version of “recollections may vary”. I don’t think he is going to get on to a stupid tit for tat about what anyone’s exact word were. Again, inference and interpretation are necessary. The statement was quite clearly implying that what Charles S says isn’t what happened. You don’t want to take my use of the word “unusual” at face value, but you are quite happy to do so with Charles S, who you can’t ask directly. That’s a tad inconsistent, no?

@smilesy

If you can read English you can see that Charles Windsor did not issue a denial .

It was waffle .
Show me where exactly he denies saying it ?

In the interview the interviewer read Charles’s statement and Spencer said - as the rest of media have also said - there is no denial there .
The interviewer did not have a response and moved on.
This is why this will not go away.
There has been no denial .

And how many times do I have to say it - there was no word salad for Virginia Guiffre. They called her a liar .

ps ‘recollections may vary’ was snide and not a denial either .

Sometimes words say more than the sum of their parts. But you know that. You are just selective as to when you apply it 😊

ironic grammar fail 😆

Meant to say as well, wrt to Virginia Guiffre, AMW called her a liar. No one else in the family commented. But then the don’t comment about Harry’s inaccuracies either

No you are wrong about the Virginia Guifree statement
It was an official palace statement

And it stands in stark contrast to the waffle and avoidance in the statement from Charles

It is so damning .

No waffle , no word salad . They outright called her a liar .
And they were the ones lying !

Yet this time there is no denial .

Why?
Because they fear Charles Spencer has proof and is waiting for them .

Again we are in agreement, @DelectableMe.

In fact, we have even less evidence than for your shoes for the wording in the conversation.

We have AN Wilson saying he believes it, but not saying that Charles S told him that Charles R said those words.

We have Richard Kay saying that Charles S told him he had a row with Charles R about the boys, but nothing about the wording.
He also suggested (in an interview clip) that Charles S, as a former journalist, always took notes, so no doubt would have taken notes at this time too.

Charles S, in the Times interview, denies taking any notes or telling anyone about the words used by Charles R in the telephone call:
Does he, Kuenssberg wondered, have any proof, any evidence, did he write it down or tell anyone? Well, no, not quite, but he did claim that the final words of his famous eulogy at his sister’s funeral, that “she will never be extinguished from our minds,” was “a direct rebuttal”.

How many eulogies have you heard, where the last sentence or so is a determination that the person will never be forgotten?

Do you have a link, please, because when I searched it said that the wider royal family had not called her a liar 🤷‍♀️

ETA just re read your post. If Charles S has proof, why hasn’t he produced it already 🤔

This was the official palace statement re Virginia Guifre’s accusation.

"It is emphatically denied that the Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts. Any claim to the contrary is false and without foundation."

That is a clear denial .
And they had known about Epstein links to the Palace for decades and Epstein was first convicted of child solicitation in 2008 .And they clubbed together and paid her off . Yet they were happy to issue that flat clear denial . They still haven’t retracted the statement btw or apologised.

What Charles said was waffle , avoidance , smear .

Lets see him come out and say he ‘emphatically denies saying it’ because he has not denied it .
He has run from it .

Yes they did clearly deny virginia giuffre. Even though it was clearly true.

But Charles hasn't even done that.

No I'm not saying he's gay I'm saying for someone who keeps putting himself forward for interviews he does not present well. The staring, the voice the content. He is a thoroughly unlikable character and that is without him now apparently not bothered about the distress and upset that this is causing William.

He seems to think he's a public speaking superstar after the adulation from some following his funeral speech.

Someone needs to tell him his presenting needs some work that is all.

Anyway he's on high brow current affairs show Lorraine this week I believe. See if she dare ask some actual relevant questions.

Ah right. The statement from 2015 when Andrew said nothing had happened. I would guess that Andrew was the instigator of the statement, so a statement via the palace rather than from the palace. It would seem that the Queen believed him at the time. She took his words at face value and did not apply critical thinking. A cautionary tale

@smilesy

I thought it was 2019

And it was an official palace statement . End of .

@smilesy

The rest of your post is nonsense .

As you ignored the point I’ll repeat it .
Epstein was linked to the palace for decades. He was convicted first in 2008.
The palace knew Epstein was linked to them.
Yet they issued a clear flat denial .

Charles has not .

I didn't hear what Charles Windsor said on the phone. I don't suppose you did. If I had, I might have mis-heard. The fact that Charles Spencer says that Charles Windsor said "We" doesn't prove anything.