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The royal family

H and m pr disasters 34!

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jeffgoldblum · 04/09/2026 11:36

A continuation of the exiting and entertaining shenanigans of ham….

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jeffgoldblum · Today 15:56

JoanChitty · Today 15:53

Re the line ‘titles are in abeyance’ does this mean that they will be known as Mr and Mrs Mountbatten-Windsor?

No , I think it’s only the HRH that it applies to ( so sorry Meghan! No you can’t use it to send ice cream to your friends!)

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JSMill · Today 15:56

drivinmecrazy · Today 15:50

As per this mornings posts, I don’t tend to post much because much of what I want to say is put far better by other posters.
But by god this statement has got me really engaged.
Bring on the 🍿 😝

I know what you mean. There’s some fantastic posters on these threads.

JoanChitty · Today 15:57

jeffgoldblum · Today 15:56

No , I think it’s only the HRH that it applies to ( so sorry Meghan! No you can’t use it to send ice cream to your friends!)

Booooooo!!!

BunnyBunbunbun · Today 15:58

JoanChitty · Today 15:53

Re the line ‘titles are in abeyance’ does this mean that they will be known as Mr and Mrs Mountbatten-Windsor?

Their titles are not in abeyance - the letter from BP itself refers to them as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. What is in abeyance is their styles, i.e. HRH. To quote the letter:

'Their styles as His and Her Royal Highness remain in abeyance and are not used.'

Also pertinent:

'Any specific questions from official and State organisations about the courtesies which should be extended to the Duke and Duchess, and particularly where recourse to public funds may be required, should be directed to Buckingham Palace.'

So they can never trick some gullibles into treating them as official royals and HRHs or offer them public funds (e.g. for security or expenses) for performing "royal" duties and BP will have oversight over any attempts at this.

bluegreygreen · Today 15:58

Mylovelygreendress · Today 14:01

I have been reading a lot of stuff on X about the Diana event being cancelled because they didn’t want Meghan there .
Anyone have any knowledge?

On the Palace Confidential episode last Thursday, Charlotte Griffiths said she had been told that the Diana Award gala dinner (that Harry was due to attend but had recently denied that he was going to) had been cancelled.

She and Richard Eden were planning to try to find out what had happened and report on it. I haven't seen any update.

PoppysAunt · Today 15:59

LADDO · Today 15:18

The irony is that she credits her own estranged father with encouraging that initiative - does that Jackanory get edited now?

Uh oh....like all that stuff on the Tig, paying tribute to her loving and supportive Dad.
Awkward!

shockthemonkey · Today 15:59

"Their styles as His and Her Royal Highness remain in abeyance and are not used. "

They are still dook and dookess... it's just that they are not supposed to be addressed - "styled" - as HRH. This has been the case for years now, but it didn't prevent M from continuing to use her HRH-emblazoned stationery.

shockthemonkey · Today 16:00

Apologies, cross-posted with others!

drivinmecrazy · Today 16:00

Starryfifty · Today 15:55

Tbf. Something had to be done. Nobody knows how long they are in the UK and constant leaks, nonsense would be intolerable for the RF

If I were them I’d be high tailing it back to California before more humiliation could be heaped upon me.
Alas we know they won’t take this as a slight or an attempt to preemptively clip their wings.
It will be seen as a sign that they’re winning, that the RF feel threatened by their presence.
‘King Harold on the throne’ operation will be in full swing. They’ll be gathering their army ready to over throw the King.

jeffgoldblum · Today 16:01

JoanChitty · Today 15:57

Booooooo!!!

Well …..perhaps it’s also a warning! ….lets not forget that they have openly defied the agreements they made during the sandrinham summit and it strikes me that this announcement serves as a reminder and a possible warning!

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Starryfifty · Today 16:03

I can't wait for the clap back from HAM

CoffeeCantata · Today 16:03

I am really surprised at the tone - it’s crystal clear and pulls no punches. Not what I expected but it absolutely needed to be said, and said before the Sussexes and their supporters start any nonsense with royal cosplaying.

Phew!

If the Closer piece is anything to go by, William will get the blame though.

Mylovelygreendress · Today 16:04

shockthemonkey · Today 15:59

"Their styles as His and Her Royal Highness remain in abeyance and are not used. "

They are still dook and dookess... it's just that they are not supposed to be addressed - "styled" - as HRH. This has been the case for years now, but it didn't prevent M from continuing to use her HRH-emblazoned stationery.

And I am fairly certain she will continue to use .

BigWillyLittleTodger · Today 16:04

jeffgoldblum · Today 16:01

Well …..perhaps it’s also a warning! ….lets not forget that they have openly defied the agreements they made during the sandrinham summit and it strikes me that this announcement serves as a reminder and a possible warning!

That’s how I read it between the lines, a warning shot!

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bluegreygreen · Today 16:06

I have maintained that it wasn't necessary, but I appreciate the careful framing as a response to 'requests from guidance'.

Archive link is here https://archive.is/NrEG1

smilesy · Today 16:06

CoffeeCantata · Today 16:03

I am really surprised at the tone - it’s crystal clear and pulls no punches. Not what I expected but it absolutely needed to be said, and said before the Sussexes and their supporters start any nonsense with royal cosplaying.

Phew!

If the Closer piece is anything to go by, William will get the blame though.

I sense the Prince of Wales’ hand in this letter perhaps….

eta. I think he is beyond caring what they “blame“ him for

OliveMyLove · Today 16:06

The King's letter in full:
Following the decision by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to relocate to the UK, we have received a number of requests for Guidance. To help avoid doubt or confusion, The King has directed that the following information be shared.

It is well known that in January 2020 the Duke and Duchess stepped down from undertaking representative duties on behalf of The Sovereign, and are no longer working Members of The Royal Family. This position, distinct from the State and Royal duties undertaken by the working Royal Family, and with the personal latitude it brings the couple in respect of financial independence and protection of their privacy as they would wish, will continue to be fully respected.

It follows that there is no change to the current status of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Their styles as His and Her Royal Highness remain in abeyance and are not used. The charitable work of the Duke and Duchess is a personal matter for them both and undertaken in their private capacity. In short, their position is akin to private citizens with commercial and charitable interests.

Any specific questions from official and State organisations about the courtesies which should be extended to the Duke and Duchess, and particularly where recourse to public funds may be required, should be directed to Buckingham Palace. Any operational security issues should continue to be directed to the relevant Police authorities.

All correspondence and administrative questions relating to the couple should be sent directly to their office, which will continue to operate separately from The Royal Household.

The Right Honourable The Lord Benyon GCVO

OliveMyLove · Today 16:07

Sorry if that’s already been posted but I think maybe I can’t read it enough times. 😂

Mylovelygreendress · Today 16:07

jeffgoldblum · Today 16:01

Well …..perhaps it’s also a warning! ….lets not forget that they have openly defied the agreements they made during the sandrinham summit and it strikes me that this announcement serves as a reminder and a possible warning!

I agree . I reckon KC has got wind of some proposed activities and is shutting it down. He is probably heartily sick of all the PR spin and leaks .
Not sure how HAM can spin this to look like it was their idea but time will tell .
That letter is crystal clear - they are still out .

jeffgoldblum · Today 16:08

BigWillyLittleTodger · Today 16:04

That’s how I read it between the lines, a warning shot!

Yep!!, it seems that Charles has reached his limit! , he may have been able to turn a blind eye to their behaviour while in the US but it’s a different matter when it’s on home turf!! , and we don’t know exactly what was said during that brief visit! , but I imagine not discussing it with a room full of strangers at a dinner party was definitely not a part of it!! , Meghan has dropped them in it again!

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StormGazing · Today 16:10

CoffeeCantata · Today 07:54

I think H is stupid and M is a shameless pusher. I hope they’ll get a consistent and hardline message about both security and any re-entry into official royal life.

This this may have been done today with KC’s letter!

jeffgoldblum · Today 16:11

bluegreygreen · Today 16:06

I have maintained that it wasn't necessary, but I appreciate the careful framing as a response to 'requests from guidance'.

Archive link is here https://archive.is/NrEG1

It should not have been necessary blue ! But unfortunately neither the Sussex’s nor the media seem to be able to grasp the facts.

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PoppysAunt · Today 16:11

OliveMyLove · Today 16:06

The King's letter in full:
Following the decision by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to relocate to the UK, we have received a number of requests for Guidance. To help avoid doubt or confusion, The King has directed that the following information be shared.

It is well known that in January 2020 the Duke and Duchess stepped down from undertaking representative duties on behalf of The Sovereign, and are no longer working Members of The Royal Family. This position, distinct from the State and Royal duties undertaken by the working Royal Family, and with the personal latitude it brings the couple in respect of financial independence and protection of their privacy as they would wish, will continue to be fully respected.

It follows that there is no change to the current status of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Their styles as His and Her Royal Highness remain in abeyance and are not used. The charitable work of the Duke and Duchess is a personal matter for them both and undertaken in their private capacity. In short, their position is akin to private citizens with commercial and charitable interests.

Any specific questions from official and State organisations about the courtesies which should be extended to the Duke and Duchess, and particularly where recourse to public funds may be required, should be directed to Buckingham Palace. Any operational security issues should continue to be directed to the relevant Police authorities.

All correspondence and administrative questions relating to the couple should be sent directly to their office, which will continue to operate separately from The Royal Household.

The Right Honourable The Lord Benyon GCVO

Good one, KC.
👍🏼

Lunde · Today 16:11

bluegreygreen · Today 15:58

On the Palace Confidential episode last Thursday, Charlotte Griffiths said she had been told that the Diana Award gala dinner (that Harry was due to attend but had recently denied that he was going to) had been cancelled.

She and Richard Eden were planning to try to find out what had happened and report on it. I haven't seen any update.

Neil Sean said the other week that ticket sales had plummeted because of Meghan's rumoured attendance. People don't want to pay to see the Meghan show.

I think the date was originally fixed to coincide with the Well Child Awards when Harry used to come alone to the UK - but now they are living here I guess Meghan expects an invitation .....

PoppysAunt · Today 16:12

jeffgoldblum · Today 16:08

Yep!!, it seems that Charles has reached his limit! , he may have been able to turn a blind eye to their behaviour while in the US but it’s a different matter when it’s on home turf!! , and we don’t know exactly what was said during that brief visit! , but I imagine not discussing it with a room full of strangers at a dinner party was definitely not a part of it!! , Meghan has dropped them in it again!

How frustrating for the RF to have H&M come and over state their significance and relationship to the Crown.

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