H and m pr disasters 34!

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A continuation of the exiting and entertaining shenanigans of ham….

she relishes power over others…especially women, and especially young women

Inadequacy again, @CoffeeCantata; IME it's those with real power who are most likely to wear it lightly, while those without sometimes thrash around just trying to give the impression, and though the lifestyle glitters from a distance, without either integrity or credibility Meghan's actually got very little of substance

It's interesting, though, that you mentioned a role for Harry "not being up to Charles", and while you're right in theory it is really likely that parliament would act if he pushed his son's rehabilitation too hard?
Certainly they could prevent official foreign visits on the UK's behalf, but if Charles was stupid enough to want Harry front and centre over here I'd expect no more than the mewling about it being a "family matter" we've had too often before

Quite - and yet more evidence to support the view that he’s unfit for an official role.

I don’t get it when people suggest it’s just a family spat and that H can be gently eased back into royal life. As QE2 knew, it’s all or nothing in any scenario which involves security, matters of state and confidentiality.

How can he be eased into royal life? He takes drugs. No thank you.

There is absolutely no evidence that anyone is trying to ease Harry back into royal life. There is plenty of evidence that the papers are using his return for revenue by writing contradictory articles.

Exactly 💯!
Time and again, people do not understand the fundamental issues here.

I suspect that Andy Burnham would take a hard line with the RF - I’m guessing his sympathies are probably republican - so won’t rock the boat with poorly KC, but at the same time wouldn’t be open to pressure.

i think there are others than AB and KC who would have a view on this - namely the secret services and the foreign office. H is a loose cannon and I just don’t think he can be allowed to represent the RF or the UK officially again. If I was AB I’d just deflect and tell KC that he’s welcome to come to any personal arrangement with H that he wants, but no more official duties.

In my fantasy world, someone would sit down with dim Harry and explain that he’s made himself a security risk…but not in the way he imagines - it’s the UK’ and RF’s security he’s threatened!

Couldn’t have put it better myself !

And crucially - he’s admitted this in print! That’s the issue. Who knows, and I don’t WANT to know, if say William has taken drugs. But he’s never boasted about it!

What a hopeless, entitled plonker he is, to think it will be fine to admit anything and expect to be let off because he’s Prince Harry!

I've not looked at the Express for years, AutumnCrow, and now I know why , but I'll break my own rule about not commenting on "appearances" to ask just this:

Is there any image of this wretched woman - any at all - where she's not obviously full of calculation and/or adopting an expression for the cameras?

If there is @Puzzledandpissedoff I have yet to see it .

There are a few notorious images- from videos - where she hasn’t spotted a camera- and they’re very telling. Until she arrived I hadn’t appreciated how the RF ignore cameras and focus on the people they’re meeting, or on the events themselves. The contrast with M is painful - you can see her looking for the camera all the time and then playing the part - as she’s used to doing.

Expect to be let off because he’s Prince Harry. That’s it in a nutshell. He’s spoiled and entitled and clearly never had to face the consequences of his actions. He kind of is facing the consequences now because he’s unpopular and out in the cold in terms of the RF but he just can’t accept it.

"Painful" is indeed the word for the contrast, @CoffeeCantata
You'd think a trained actress would be capable of learning not to look quite so constantly for the cameras, but her self obsession seems to exclude even that

Then again, given the results of her real personality showing - as in the very few clips you referred to - perhaps she has to be extra careful around what's shown

Beyonce in London for her 45th birthday no HAM invite. Thought Meg said she was a dear friend?

H is certainly a cautionary tale. Alas, it's too late for him to reflect now. He's a grown man. Not a teenager. He will never accept it if he's not brought back into the Royal fold

Yes, and I’m thinking a lot less of the ‘journalists’ who are playing this game in a very lazy manner, and appear to not be bothered about writing or speaking on other issues these past two weeks.

Fine for Marina Hyde to write a witty piece amidst her usual excellent output. However, the big troop of reporters who were likely in the Sussex WhatsApp group(s) are clearly having trouble adapting to anything other than doing what’s expected of them, in return for the occasional snippet of nonsense that may or may not be ‘exclusive’ for them to ‘break’.

Pathetic drivel for a free press to waste time on. Who wants to read or hear some reporter’s ‘exclusive’ misunderstandings? I wish they’d change the record.

Myself as well - never realised how much they look at the people around that they are meeting as opposed to looking for the camera.

It's really interesting that when the first TV documentary was made with the co-operation of the Royal Family in the late 1960's, there was a huge discussion about whether the RF should have done it or not as there was still, at that time, an air of mystique about the RF which I believe the QM cultivated. That film is quite tame in what it portrayed, family picnics, QEII taking PE to a shop to buy an ice-cream etc etc

The RF are not celebrities in the accepted sense of that word and, to some extent, need to keep an aura of 'other worldliness' about them to maintain their position

They therefore have to keep a balance between their private & public lives with their public lives being on show but their private lives being shared in a well-managed way such as photo calls on the first day at school. Most of them manage this extremely well but once they have crossed a certain line there is no going back

The details which PH wrote in Spare regarding losing his virginity, his drug use and his intimate medical problems, together with all the other shenanigans since he met MM have crossed the line and landed them a million miles beyond it.

It means than PH can never, & I mean NEVER, have a serious role again.

The RF use a lot of soft diplomacy and are skilled at saying things without saying anything which is controversial or political or could be misconstrued. I hate to say it but PH isn't very bright, has proved himself to be incapable of learning from his mistakes and has a very long track record of ignoring advice.

Yes, a lot of us had a soft spot for him and were prepared to forgive him for the odd mistake as he grew up. But he has well and truly moved beyond that and has never matured into someone who can see both sides of a story and take appropriate action

It's so, so sad and very disappointing that he has turned out this way.

It will be interesting to see which - if any- high profile events / weddings they are invited to .
Samuel Chatto is due to get married in Spring and I am pretty sure there will be invitations winging their way to the RF .

Certainly they could prevent official foreign visits on the UK's behalf, but if Charles was stupid enough to want Harry front and centre over here I'd expect no more than the mewling about it being a "family matter" we've had too often before

The republican side of Labour were previously very supportive of H&M, seeing them as 'bright young things' and disruptors of the monarchy, so I think in earlier days would have been supportive.
However, politicians as a whole have been burnt by the AMW scandal, and I suspect are still afraid of what else will come out (from their own group), so I would expect them to take a hard line on any official involvement by Harry.

Not looking at the camera was apparently specific advice from Prince Philip:

"If you believe the attention is for you for your personally, you're going to end up in trouble.
"The attention is for your role, what you do, what you're supporting. It isn't for you as an individual. You are not a celebrity. You are representing the Royal Family. That's all."

https://archive.is/33DH3

Yes, @bluegreygreen. I'd very much like to know what Yvette Cooper's role actually was regarding Harry's trip to Ukraine (the one where H was interviewed by his eager lapdog Chris Ship, and announced some guff about being 'royal' and 'working'). Also Shabana Mahmood's role in plans for Harry in the past, present and future.

They weren’t invited to PP’s wedding. It’s not like PP thought they couldn’t afford the air fare. The only A list thing they were invited to in six years in California was the mum from the Kardashians birthday. I believe people who move in aristocratic and celebrity circles would prefer to stay in W’s good books. I don’t see them getting many invites.

Very interesting article and thanks for sharing . Clearly M didn’t take heed ( as ever ). So disrespectful too - H’s grandfather - for someone so insistent on using her own title !

A lot of Philip's family were Romanov, and killed by the Bolsheviks, plus the Greek RF were constantly being deposed and potentially killed.

His sisters married into the recently deposed German royal families.

So he was very well aware that the RF needed public approval.