H and m pr disasters 34!

[jeffgoldblum]

A continuation of the exiting and entertaining shenanigans of ham….

I think it's more likely that Harry was around Tetbury trying to reconnect with his "old life"

Trying to re-join the Polo club?

Ringing doorbells of his old mates?

On his way back from Soho Farmhouse?

Seeing if he's still banned from the local pub?

I think this is going to be very hard of Harry as he seems to assume that his old life/old friends are still going to be around and waiting for him to pick up again after he dropped everything and everyone unceremoniously almost a decade ago when he met Meghan and started pursuing Hollywood A-list glitz. But he seems to have given little consideration to the fact that other lives have also moved on and the "old life" he remembers through his rose coloured spectacles no longer exists.

I think she is between a rock and a hard place as B&E, Tindals, Pippa and James M and all their children are invited and included. It would be very hard to exclude just these two cousins in a celebration which is all about ‘compassion, kindness and connection’ and I expect H&M and the SS would really rinse her on that.
Victimhood is their skill set. The media would love it for weeks on end.

Might be best to swallow the frog - that would also avoid the concert being overshadowed by will they / won’t they.

Me too .

One benefit of inviting them to the concert would be that it would get the public meeting out of the way, without it being an event where they have to spend any private time with the family (such as Sandringham Christmas).

That might make it easier all round, if she decides to do that - though I hope she doesn't feel under any pressure if she doesn't think it's the right thing to do.

I am sure I read that they are returning to Montecito for Christmas.

Do you mean Highgrove? It was purchased by Charles for the Duchy on Cornwall in 1980. So since 2022 when the Duchy became William's, Charles has been renting it on a long lease.

I totally see your points here, but I also feel really bad for Catherine on this as she is the target of the 'be kind' 'reach out to reconcile' briefings, and given how particularly nasty the Sussex campaign of the past few years has been about her personally, I would not want any of it in her shoes. But while William is criticised for being angry, having a temper etc, I think women get judged even more harshly for any hint of this. So I can see her being expected to just swallow it all down and be forgiving. Ugh.

Agree. Also everyone will know that it’s far from ideal and W&K are being the bigger people for the sake of the image of the monarchy, the children etc. It doesn’t mean they are invited to any other private family. It’s called ‘managing’ difficult family members by taking control by getting ahead of the storm.

They will not miss the Sandringham walk. It will be an absolute circus. There is no way HAM will have their children at the back. They will be hanging out of KC

I agree with you and she shouldn’t have ever been put in this situation in the first place. But in the bigger picture it might strategically be better for her?

Your point about her being the link for PH to target and crack in recent ‘reports’ is well observed and especially relevant. They will use the kids and Catherine.

I fully appreciate what some PP's are saying about inviting H&M to C's Carol Service at Westminster Abbey but, personally, I'm hoping they don't get invited

I love that C does a little walk around the congregation before the service starts and has a chat with some of the invited guests. The guests are specially invited for reasons which are personal to C and it was lovely to see her chatting with Chris Hoy and his family a year or so ago

If H&M attend, all the attention will focus on them and we will be subjected to endless speculation as to whether M glanced away as the Wales's arrived or people trying to lip read what H&M are saying and which RF interacted with them and which didn't etc etc etc

Having said this I agree that, like everything to do with the RF & H&M, C is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't invite them

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If Catherine is the bigger person here and invites them, HAM spin this as her admitting she was wrong and she is a nasty racist after all. You can't "do business " with HAM. They are too toxic

That’s very true - no trust has been built to date - so suppose the choice is shit A or shit B.

I would be so disappointed if they get an invite. Not after everything they have done.
no way.
why are people pushing this forgiveness

I think any appearance by the gruesome twosome at the Carol Service would forever tarnish what has, up to now, been a very joyful occasion.

I don't really understand the whole forgiveness schtick either tbh. I understand KC wants a relationship with his son and GC. IMO, this doesn't have to include Meg.

A sibling relationship is different. William never has to see his brother and sister in law ever again if he decides not to. KC funeral will be carefully managed. I don't see why HAM and hamlets would need to be included in the coronation

As a military wife I could pack up a house and clean it to march out standards in a week.

To be clear I am not pushing forgiveness of H&M but pointing out a sensitive situation involving exclusion of blood relative young children that could be hijacked by H&M and the SS in the media and backfire on PC …. just interested in how it will play out and appreciate it’s a very challenging judgement call to make..

I’ve absolutely no idea why I mentioned this

Yea but you were prepared to put in the hard yards to do this. The Sussexes, not so much I think 😆

Well, I think that women like you are amazing!

A series of documentaries could be interesting, perhaps with input from those impacted:

• being the wronged spouse in a public affair
• how paparazzi felt about being manipulated by celebs, and then blamed when said celebs become "victims"
• modern PR: bald children and MPs kissing babies etc.

So much more broad than just Diana, but could have some juicy input from eg. Julia Carling if she was feeling naughty, someone from PR agencies that get hospital visits and what they tell their clients etc. Like the excellent Ten Photos on iPlayer/Netflix (?). But with a shared theme rather than just about one person.

Nicholas Soames, a very close friend the King was absolutely vile about Diana. I remember it very clearly. It was appalling.

Just thinking out loud really.

Catherine could invite them, but still ensure the focus is not on them. It's not a live event and is highly edited before broadcast. I assume Catherine has a fairly large degree of control over the final broadcast edit.

Could be done in a way that the Sussexes arrival is filmed, but little time spent on them (just enough to know they are there), seated a row or so back and not in eye line or in camera shot with the Waleses, so only very brief views of them during the Service, then a quick shot of them leaving.

That might be a way to get it over with, but still keep the focus on the Service? You don't see Catherine interacting or greeting every single guest, the Sussexes would be in and seated before the Waleses and other Royals arrive.

It should be Catherine's decision at the end of the day, and should only happen if it's what she wants, she is in no way obligated to extend any branch of reconciliation or friendship to them. Certain segments of the Press and absolutely the SS will crucify her regardless of what she does. So fuckem is what I say

Unless Princess Anne brings her feather.