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The royal family

Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 6

449 replies

bluegreygreen · 15/08/2026 09:37

This is the sixth thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) brought against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers Limited; ANL) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).
The claimants were: Prince Harry (PH); Doreen Lawrence (DL); Liz Hurley (EH/LH); Elton John (EJ); David Furnish (DF); Simon Hughes (SH); Sadie Frost (SF). They were represented by David Sherborne (DS).
The defendant (ANL) was represented by Anthony White (AW).

Judgement was handed down by Judge Nicklin on 7th July 2026.
All claims were dismissed.
Links to the summary and full judgement are below.
We are currently awaiting decisions around costs, following the Consequentials hearing on 29-30th July.

The threads to date were thorough discussions of the evidence (so far as we were able to obtain it), with posters giving links and explaining their views.
Following the judgement, we discussed the judgement itself, the reaction, statements made by different parties and ongoing relevant issues.

We have mostly kept things civil by avoiding more general discussion on Royal Family members, which can become partisan, and trying not to be derailed from the main topic of the thread.

We have occasionally included (when things slowed with the title case) other cases or discussions with a specific theme of free speech/press freedom, particularly when related to those with money or power preventing others from speaking.

Links to previous threads
Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5

There was limited direct reporting from court after the celebrities gave evidence; what there we followed on this link, which also includes reaction to the judgement
Sky news link to court case

Summary judgement

Full judgement

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Baital · Yesterday 15:27

Goodness me. The judge wasn't very impressed, was he?

Noodledog · Yesterday 15:28

SummerNocturnal · Yesterday 15:04

Why did the judge place strict limitations on using historical private investigator payment ledgers from the 2011 Leveson Inquiry?

I think burden of proof on a historical crime was always going to be tough.
1993-2011 that's 18 years of reporting.

Daily Mirror, Sun and NOTW were all deemed to have acted illegally at times but Daily Mail didn't?
👀

The problem they had was that you need evidence to win a case. Not liking the other side isn't enough.

EmpressSisi · Yesterday 15:28

Well 😳

I knew it would be bad, but I didn’t think it would be this bad 😬🫣

smilesy · Yesterday 15:28

LizzieSiddal · Yesterday 15:21

I too think Elton John will cover a large amount of this bill.
He’s very, very rich and makes millions more each year from song Royalties, currently estimated at £20 million per year. That and his net worth of nearly half a billion means this lawyers bill is peanuts to him.

But the mere fact of him being very rich doesn’t mean that he will be willing to pay the lions share. And why should he? The other claimants didn’t enter in to this with a gun to their head. As they are joint and severally liable he may find that he has to pay a larger share, but I can’t imagine he would
be very happy about. Or that he wouldn’t complain very loudly. I have no sympathy for anyone who thinks they can use the courts for a pay day, which I’m fairly sure is what some of the claimants were envisioning, and equally I don’t think they should
be relying on one of their fellow claimants to bail them out

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 15:30

Lunde · Yesterday 15:05

I read somewhere that Harry tried to get everyone to sign that statement as a part of his dragon 🐲 slayer rhetoric - but only DL did it and the other 5 kept their heads down.

Which was wise - see the judge's comments posted up thread. TLDR he said that as it was only two of them that made the unwise statement he was setting that aside and made his judgement on all the other matters.

If they had all put their name to it could it have been even worse for them? I mean I'm not sure there is an "even worse" outcome at this stage.

AutumnCrowOfTheBailey · Yesterday 15:31

Lunde · Yesterday 14:59

Doreen was very greedy and it's backfired.

ANL gave her a chance to walk away - she said that she would give a new statement saying ANL had done nothing wrong but only if ANL paid her £650,000.

ANL refused to pay and a few weeks later she testified in court that ANL had bugged and hacked her (without providing evidence)

The fact that she is happy to change her evidence if the money is right leaves a very bad taste - especially from someone who votes on our laws in parliament.

I feel very bad for the journalist who led the crusade to bring Stephen Lawrence's killers to justice (a personal crusade for him as his wife and daughters are women of colour) - yet Doreen was happy to smear him in court as a racist hacker - yet would have said the opposite if ANL had paid her.

I feel so sorry for Stephen Wright and his family (who are women of colour). He has been maligned by the same woman who maligned the London Fire Brigade post-Grenfell, who maligned her husband who went through the same loss that she did, and who maligned the idea of a free press. That she's a parliamentarian is deeply troubling.

I hope he now feels vindicated, but the stress of all this, and how it could have turned out, will always affect him.

SheinSussex · Yesterday 15:31

If ANL costs are £34 million and their own costs are £20million then how are they going to scrape together over £10million each?

I thought my credit card bill was bad but this….

Recklessismymiddlename · Yesterday 15:31

I wonder if they go against their legal advisors for failure to do their job or negligence? They should have been advised throughout, about the prospects of success or not.

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 15:33

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 15:25

Will we get to hear about it if the insurers refuse to pay out? Under normal circumstances I'd expect that sort of thing to be confidential, but given there are several claimants and at least one is a blabbermouth who thinks the world is against him perhaps we will hear all about it?

If the insurers bail out I'd say there's every chance of us hearing about it, ShamedBySiri - though naturally not from them

As for the judge "setting aside" the horrendous post-case statement, I doubt that will weigh with Harry, who'll doubtless believe the costs judgment was made to spite him and is yet another establishment stitch up

SummerNocturnal · Yesterday 15:34

Noodledog · Yesterday 15:28

The problem they had was that you need evidence to win a case. Not liking the other side isn't enough.

Not what I asked - I asked why the private investigator ledgers were not allowed as evidence

Wheresthebeach · Yesterday 15:36

Each of them is responsible for the £10m, so Elton can't refuse to pay it as he's liable for it all, as are each of them. It will come down to if they can agree who pays what, and if they don't agree to share it then it may fall to Elton or Harry to pay to avoid ANL launching enforcement action.

Baital · Yesterday 15:37

SheinSussex · Yesterday 15:31

If ANL costs are £34 million and their own costs are £20million then how are they going to scrape together over £10million each?

I thought my credit card bill was bad but this….

Puts my overdraft of £80 in perspective!

HelenaWilson · Yesterday 15:37

They should have been advised throughout, about the prospects of success or not.

Advisers can advise, but they can't force their clients to take that advice.

User7989776 · Yesterday 15:38

SheinSussex · Yesterday 15:31

If ANL costs are £34 million and their own costs are £20million then how are they going to scrape together over £10million each?

I thought my credit card bill was bad but this….

That's why Harry's going back home to grovel from the King.

Honestly not sure why Meghan is going along with the charade. In her shoes, I'd be livid about the humiliation. She's going back to Britain which everyone knows she hates, she's going to get relentlessly dragged in the press, W&K hate her, her children no longer have the anonymity from the USA and her business prospects are dead in the water.

The more realistic outcome would have been a divorce and Harry returns to the UK to deal with his own debt. Not sure how dragging the wife and kids along sounded like the better option.

Baital · Yesterday 15:39

SummerNocturnal · Yesterday 15:34

Not what I asked - I asked why the private investigator ledgers were not allowed as evidence

You'll have to read the judgement to find out. Possibly because the judge saw the ledgers as a trawling expedition rather than having any value as evidence of one of the specific claims being advanced. But that's just a guess.

AutumnCrowOfTheBailey · Yesterday 15:40

Lunde · Yesterday 15:05

I read somewhere that Harry tried to get everyone to sign that statement as a part of his dragon 🐲 slayer rhetoric - but only DL did it and the other 5 kept their heads down.

Given subsequent events, I'd say this was the final straw for the Palace.

Baital · Yesterday 15:43

User7989776 · Yesterday 15:38

That's why Harry's going back home to grovel from the King.

Honestly not sure why Meghan is going along with the charade. In her shoes, I'd be livid about the humiliation. She's going back to Britain which everyone knows she hates, she's going to get relentlessly dragged in the press, W&K hate her, her children no longer have the anonymity from the USA and her business prospects are dead in the water.

The more realistic outcome would have been a divorce and Harry returns to the UK to deal with his own debt. Not sure how dragging the wife and kids along sounded like the better option.

Well, there's no way for her to avoid being involved in H's financial woes whether they now divorce or stay together.

Anyway, 'for richer, for poorer' as the marriage service goes.

Hopefully she's on board because they love each other. Theirs is the love story to end all love stories, remember, they love boldly, or fiercely, or foxily, or something like that.

Noodledog · Yesterday 15:51

SummerNocturnal · Yesterday 15:34

Not what I asked - I asked why the private investigator ledgers were not allowed as evidence

It was a response to your third paragraph. I'm not a legal expert, but there are people on the thread who are and I'm sure will be happy to respond to your first two paragraphs.

Izzzzxxx · Yesterday 15:52

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · Yesterday 14:59

I think DL is a lesson to all of us about the corrupting power of wealth and fame. She did this, it seems, because she was chummy with H&M and let them lead her by the nose into it. They had a lot to gain from her being there, she remains a powerful figure in the UK, DL had less to gain (money and she is not broke) and everything to lose - a reputation built on hard work and outstanding campaigning. I think it is a tale of our times and a very cautionary one.

Important point about protecting reputation over cash - “they take a lifetime to build and a moment to shatter”

AutumnCrowOfTheBailey · Yesterday 15:55

LizzieSiddal · Yesterday 15:21

I too think Elton John will cover a large amount of this bill.
He’s very, very rich and makes millions more each year from song Royalties, currently estimated at £20 million per year. That and his net worth of nearly half a billion means this lawyers bill is peanuts to him.

But if Elton pays Harry's bill then it leaves Harry with more money to keep on attacking the AIDS/HIV charity Sentebale in and out of court, and Elton passionately supports AIDS/HIV charities and organisations. That's how and why he was close to Diana in the first place, and how and why Diana became a gay icon.

Harry's Sentebale fuck-up came about long after Elton and Harry were once friends and had agreed to pursue ANL for a settlement. I can only imagine that things are very different now between the two men.

PinkHairbrushClub · Yesterday 15:57

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 15:16

Apologies as I have not followed this case in detail, but in short what was so different about this case compared to others against newspapers where the judgement went the other way?

I think as well other papers admitted wrongdoing during Levenson. So cases were about what they’d done not if they’d done it. ANL admitted no such thing hence the “levenson lies” parts of the judgement.

binkie163 · Yesterday 16:02

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 15:16

Apologies as I have not followed this case in detail, but in short what was so different about this case compared to others against newspapers where the judgement went the other way?

The other news groups, sun, NOTW, mirror group all admitted illegal activity at the levison inquiry opening an avalanche of claims against them, mostly settled out of court.
ANL did not admit illegal activity, quite the opposite so we're never going to settle this case as they knew they had done nothing wrong.

AutumnCrowOfTheBailey · Yesterday 16:08

User7989776 · Yesterday 15:38

That's why Harry's going back home to grovel from the King.

Honestly not sure why Meghan is going along with the charade. In her shoes, I'd be livid about the humiliation. She's going back to Britain which everyone knows she hates, she's going to get relentlessly dragged in the press, W&K hate her, her children no longer have the anonymity from the USA and her business prospects are dead in the water.

The more realistic outcome would have been a divorce and Harry returns to the UK to deal with his own debt. Not sure how dragging the wife and kids along sounded like the better option.

Meg's ok, she's being allowed to save face with a walk-on voice role that Camilla got for her in The Archers.

Scene: The Ambridge Village Shop
<shop bell pings>
Today's volunteer shopkeeper: Hullo, missy, may I help you?
American tourist: Oh, hiiii. I'm just passing through and wondered if you sell ... jam?
Volunteer shopkeeper: Yes, we do. It's on that shelf, yes, there.
American tourist: My husband loves raspberry jam.
Volunteer shopkeeper: That'll be £2.50 please.
American tourist: Thank you. Bye!

BAFTA nominations incoming.

Izzzzxxx · Yesterday 16:09

User7989776 · Yesterday 15:38

That's why Harry's going back home to grovel from the King.

Honestly not sure why Meghan is going along with the charade. In her shoes, I'd be livid about the humiliation. She's going back to Britain which everyone knows she hates, she's going to get relentlessly dragged in the press, W&K hate her, her children no longer have the anonymity from the USA and her business prospects are dead in the water.

The more realistic outcome would have been a divorce and Harry returns to the UK to deal with his own debt. Not sure how dragging the wife and kids along sounded like the better option.

I think your more realistic outcome is exactly what’s happening right before our eyes - not sure that PH is even aware that MM is returning the faulty goods directly and gently to his home nest with the intention that once he is safely ensconced and enmeshed with his friends, family and culture she will divorce him without having the sulky, raging ex hanging around bothering her in Cali. The fact that their UK return announcement bothers to proactively declare that MM will be leading her businesses from their international residences inadvertently gives the game away.

Kirschcherries · Yesterday 16:10

Thanks everyone for links. Just catching up.

So no cap on costs.
Claimants and ANL to agree costs.
If they can’t agree costs then it’s over to a Costs Team to work out the costs - that could make it even more expensive😱

I don’t think even EJ has £9.5m sitting in an account. I hope they used the intervening time since the judgement to start releasing funds from investments.

What I could see is EJ loaning the money to other claimants and being paid back over a period of years.