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The royal family

Duke of Sussex & Others vs ANL: thread 6

449 replies

bluegreygreen · 15/08/2026 09:37

This is the sixth thread discussing the case Prince Harry (and 6 others) brought against the Daily Mail (Associated Newspapers Limited; ANL) for alleged unlawful information gathering (UIG).
The claimants were: Prince Harry (PH); Doreen Lawrence (DL); Liz Hurley (EH/LH); Elton John (EJ); David Furnish (DF); Simon Hughes (SH); Sadie Frost (SF). They were represented by David Sherborne (DS).
The defendant (ANL) was represented by Anthony White (AW).

Judgement was handed down by Judge Nicklin on 7th July 2026.
All claims were dismissed.
Links to the summary and full judgement are below.
We are currently awaiting decisions around costs, following the Consequentials hearing on 29-30th July.

The threads to date were thorough discussions of the evidence (so far as we were able to obtain it), with posters giving links and explaining their views.
Following the judgement, we discussed the judgement itself, the reaction, statements made by different parties and ongoing relevant issues.

We have mostly kept things civil by avoiding more general discussion on Royal Family members, which can become partisan, and trying not to be derailed from the main topic of the thread.

We have occasionally included (when things slowed with the title case) other cases or discussions with a specific theme of free speech/press freedom, particularly when related to those with money or power preventing others from speaking.

Links to previous threads
Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5

There was limited direct reporting from court after the celebrities gave evidence; what there we followed on this link, which also includes reaction to the judgement
Sky news link to court case

Summary judgement

Full judgement

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IcedPurple · Yesterday 15:02

Lunde · Yesterday 14:59

Doreen was very greedy and it's backfired.

ANL gave her a chance to walk away - she said that she would give a new statement saying ANL had done nothing wrong but only if ANL paid her £650,000.

ANL refused to pay and a few weeks later she testified in court that ANL had bugged and hacked her (without providing evidence)

The fact that she is happy to change her evidence if the money is right leaves a very bad taste - especially from someone who votes on our laws in parliament.

I feel very bad for the journalist who led the crusade to bring Stephen Lawrence's killers to justice (a personal crusade for him as his wife and daughters are women of colour) - yet Doreen was happy to smear him in court as a racist hacker - yet would have said the opposite if ANL had paid her.

DL also put her name to Harry's awful statement basically smearing Judge Nicklin as corrupt. None of the other claimants did.

ThatCyanCat · Yesterday 15:03

Lunde · Yesterday 14:59

Doreen was very greedy and it's backfired.

ANL gave her a chance to walk away - she said that she would give a new statement saying ANL had done nothing wrong but only if ANL paid her £650,000.

ANL refused to pay and a few weeks later she testified in court that ANL had bugged and hacked her (without providing evidence)

The fact that she is happy to change her evidence if the money is right leaves a very bad taste - especially from someone who votes on our laws in parliament.

I feel very bad for the journalist who led the crusade to bring Stephen Lawrence's killers to justice (a personal crusade for him as his wife and daughters are women of colour) - yet Doreen was happy to smear him in court as a racist hacker - yet would have said the opposite if ANL had paid her.

Did she say she'd sign a statement saying ANL had not committed any wrongdoing, or that she'd drop the case?

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 15:04

I know who I believe

And who do you "believe", @sleepwouldbenice? Harry? Doreen? One or more of the other claimants?

Because I don't know if you've noticed but they've just had every one of their 74 claims rejected and their conduct judged as "unreasonable to a high degree" -and not by the blasted media but a judicial process able to sift these matters thoroughly and come to a rational conclusion

SummerNocturnal · Yesterday 15:04

Why did the judge place strict limitations on using historical private investigator payment ledgers from the 2011 Leveson Inquiry?

I think burden of proof on a historical crime was always going to be tough.
1993-2011 that's 18 years of reporting.

Daily Mirror, Sun and NOTW were all deemed to have acted illegally at times but Daily Mail didn't?
👀

Lunde · Yesterday 15:05

IcedPurple · Yesterday 15:02

DL also put her name to Harry's awful statement basically smearing Judge Nicklin as corrupt. None of the other claimants did.

I read somewhere that Harry tried to get everyone to sign that statement as a part of his dragon 🐲 slayer rhetoric - but only DL did it and the other 5 kept their heads down.

stayathomegardener · Yesterday 15:06

Apologies @HoldMyWinethat was meant to be to sleepwouldbenice!
Am upside down in a hyperbaric oxygen tank and keeping up is hard.

Thedom · Yesterday 15:08

JulietteHasAGun · Yesterday 14:31

Apparently the others promised her she’d never have to pay anything if it came to this/that they would cover her share. Hope they stick to this.

Yes because the evidence showed the ones behind the claim wanted ‘anyone with a dead child’ as one of the claimants .

Thedom · Yesterday 15:08

Thanks everyone for the updates and insights

Vespanest · Yesterday 15:12

I'm assuming that if they fight the costs and it goes to the cost judge then they run the risk of even more costs on both sides?

Lunde · Yesterday 15:12

JulietteHasAGun · Yesterday 14:37

Apparently Elton has a net worth of £480 million so maybe he’ll cough up the lot?

Elton is already likely paying 29% of costs as I presume he is paying David Furnish's costs as well as his own.

Recklessismymiddlename · Yesterday 15:12

The costs order is between them all, I think? So not £9mill each? Or am I wrong? Initially I thought each but I don’t think so. Very muddled headed today so I could very well be wrong… still a lot of dosh either way.

Wheresthebeach · Yesterday 15:13

Vespanest · Yesterday 15:12

I'm assuming that if they fight the costs and it goes to the cost judge then they run the risk of even more costs on both sides?

That's a good point. Even the negotiations will rack up costs.

IcedPurple · Yesterday 15:13

Lunde · Yesterday 14:31

Will the insurance even pay out given the shenanigans of the claimants?

I have to say I was quite surprised to learn that insurance is a 'thing' for legal cases. I mean, it's not a hypothetical thing like breaking your leg on a skiing holiday. There are only two sides, and one of them has to lose.

Given that it was obvious from the start that this case was a crock, the premium must have been sky high. I also read that a rep from the insurance firm was at court every single day. And now that the judge has awarded indemnity costs, and been absolutely scathing in his assessment of the claimants' behaviour, you'd imagine the insurers would have ample grounds not to pay the full amount, or indeed anything. We all know insurers are very very good at this sort of thing, and I don't think they'd have to try too hard in this particular case.

Vespanest · Yesterday 15:16

Elton has stated he is only giving his children a "small" percentage of his wealth, so I cannot see him being generous and footing the bill so his fellow celebrities keep their wealth for their children. TBH promises made on costs when you are certain you are going to win is very different to actually putting your hand in your pockets when you've lost.

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 15:16

Apologies as I have not followed this case in detail, but in short what was so different about this case compared to others against newspapers where the judgement went the other way?

LizzieSiddal · Yesterday 15:21

I too think Elton John will cover a large amount of this bill.
He’s very, very rich and makes millions more each year from song Royalties, currently estimated at £20 million per year. That and his net worth of nearly half a billion means this lawyers bill is peanuts to him.

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 15:22

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 15:16

Apologies as I have not followed this case in detail, but in short what was so different about this case compared to others against newspapers where the judgement went the other way?

Putting it simply, the claimants had no evidence for what they were alleging, and - as the judgment shows - behaved in a manner which was far from acceptable

Noodledog · Yesterday 15:22

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 15:16

Apologies as I have not followed this case in detail, but in short what was so different about this case compared to others against newspapers where the judgement went the other way?

In short: The claimants had no evidence of illegal news gathering, and ANL had a lot of evidence of them obtaining their stories from other, completely legal, sources.

Lunde · Yesterday 15:23

Recklessismymiddlename · Yesterday 15:12

The costs order is between them all, I think? So not £9mill each? Or am I wrong? Initially I thought each but I don’t think so. Very muddled headed today so I could very well be wrong… still a lot of dosh either way.

The £9,5 million is the initial, interim payment that must be paid within 7 days between them all. The rest will be decided later. ANL has costs of £34 million which would be another £2.6 million each if full costs are awarded.
-not all of them have 2.6 million
-but - they have approx £16 million in insurance - if it pays out
-so they will need to carve it up

Plus - these costs are only ANL's costs - the claimants also have to pay their own costs that were around £18-20 million

CariadDarling · Yesterday 15:23

MrsLeonFarrell · Yesterday 14:07

I don't speak legal, is someone getting their wrist slapped in that wording?

I very much think so.

HelenaWilson · Yesterday 15:23

Apparently Elton has a net worth of £480 million so maybe he’ll cough up the lot?

Didn't Elton say previously that he's not an ATM? And he won't have that amount sitting around in his current account. It'll be tied up in trusts for tax and inheritance purposes.

Apologies as I have not followed this case in detail, but in short what was so different about this case compared to others against newspapers where the judgement went the other way?

Lack of evidence.

HoldMyWine · Yesterday 15:23

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 15:16

Apologies as I have not followed this case in detail, but in short what was so different about this case compared to others against newspapers where the judgement went the other way?

Evidence!

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 15:25

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 14:40

You're not the only one wondering about that, NormalAuntFanny ... and wouldn't it be a shame Grin

Edited to add I've just thought - perhaps they could sue the insurers too?

Edited

Will we get to hear about it if the insurers refuse to pay out? Under normal circumstances I'd expect that sort of thing to be confidential, but given there are several claimants and at least one is a blabbermouth who thinks the world is against him perhaps we will hear all about it?

HelenaWilson · Yesterday 15:26

I don't speak legal, is someone getting their wrist slapped in that wording?

More than a wristslap, I would think.

CariadDarling · Yesterday 15:26

MyPurpleHeart · Yesterday 14:38

The timing of their 'moving home' announcement all makes sense now. If they had announced they were moving home after this then they couldn't deny it was money related.

In true MM&H fashion they announced it first to make it look like it was all their idea and a massive coincidence

They really do believe we’re as stupid as they think we are.