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The royal family

PR disasters thread 26

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BigWillyLittleTodger · 26/07/2026 11:15

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Andylion · 28/07/2026 12:40

From the People article

“and are thought to maintain a vacation home in the country”
“with reports suggesting they purchased a vacation home”
“While they have never publicly confirmed those reports”

So, they clearly do not own a home in Portugal.

Why can’t the kids be kids in Montecito?

Starryfifty · 28/07/2026 12:42

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/07/2026 12:37

I couldn't agree more, My2cents1975

Obviously I get the principle about the role/family being separate, but when image is all to the institution I'd have thought this meeting to be a risk which in the long run wasn't worth taking

Unfortunately Charles the enabler - and he's enabled far worse than Harry - will very likely continue the pattern of doing exactly as he wants, and any adverse fallout will be someone else's fault and something else to whine about

Perhaps after the constant leaks after the last visit, KC may finally say enough is enough. No more visits. Unfortunately it's unlikely. HAM will be William's mess

Lunde · 28/07/2026 12:42

AnAutumnCrow · 28/07/2026 11:26

Do you know why land values in Montecito have allegedly rocketed, out of interest?

I’d have thought the risk of wild fires followed by flash flooding had increased so much, along with rises in insurance costs and potential increases in property taxes, that prices might be quite unstable. And El Niño is definitely here.

Edited to make it vaguely make sense Grin

Edited

Plus there were deadly mudslides in Montecito (2018 IIRC) that killed 20-30 people so that would have damped down the property market.

I think their home was under an evacuation order for mudslides/flooding again in 2024

Lunde · 28/07/2026 12:43

Andylion · 28/07/2026 12:40

From the People article

“and are thought to maintain a vacation home in the country”
“with reports suggesting they purchased a vacation home”
“While they have never publicly confirmed those reports”

So, they clearly do not own a home in Portugal.

Why can’t the kids be kids in Montecito?

I think they rent - or more likely borrow - Eugenie and Jack's house in Portugal

bluegreygreen · 28/07/2026 12:48

Andylion · 28/07/2026 12:40

From the People article

“and are thought to maintain a vacation home in the country”
“with reports suggesting they purchased a vacation home”
“While they have never publicly confirmed those reports”

So, they clearly do not own a home in Portugal.

Why can’t the kids be kids in Montecito?

Why can’t the kids be kids in Montecito?

Yes, that's what I was wondering.

BillyBites · 28/07/2026 12:51

BigWillyLittleTodger · 28/07/2026 11:17

If that’s the case at he can’t plead poverty to KC when the court costs bill lands on their doormat, if they have massive equity in the plastic palace they can sell up or do an equity release to go towards their debt to ANL.

I read a report (or maybe gossipy speculation) that the house had been put into Meghan’s name to protect it from being at risk from the potential legal bills.

KnickerlessParsons · 28/07/2026 13:02

BillyBites · 28/07/2026 12:51

I read a report (or maybe gossipy speculation) that the house had been put into Meghan’s name to protect it from being at risk from the potential legal bills.

That’s been mentioned before on MN and I think the consensus was that intentional deprivation of assets to get out of paying a debt/tax/anything else is illegal.

BasiliskStare · 28/07/2026 13:04

If it were me and I were living in a place where my children of 7 & 5 or whatever they are couldn't be kids , I'd think it was time to move. I can't see a single reason living in a house with a huge garden , a pool , playground , by the sea , nice weather to enjoy it all kids couldn't be kids (what more does Portugal offer?) That also assumes they are well integrated into their schools and have local friends of course for times when they are at home.

ETA DS did not grow up in a house with a big garden and all the other loveliness , but he had good friends from school and we got on with our neighbours and he could be a "kid".

IcedPurple · 28/07/2026 13:10

Kirys · 28/07/2026 11:13

I agree with this. Every single detail was on KC3 terms and H&M had to concede. H&M are being ‘managed’ - they want KC3 more so have to dance to his tune.

IMHO they will be kept to a very tight ‘family’ agenda which probably won’t extend beyond annual tea and scones catch up because they are too much risk. I think there was also something significant for KC3 own public PR to burst a bubble that he hasn’t seen his grandchildren. So for KC3 it’s win, win, win.

Yes, and it also demonstrated beyond doubt that the Sussexes a) can travel to Britain without anyone being any the wiser and b) do not need elevated round the clock security. So I would say a win all round for Charles.

IcedPurple · 28/07/2026 13:12

Andylion · 28/07/2026 12:40

From the People article

“and are thought to maintain a vacation home in the country”
“with reports suggesting they purchased a vacation home”
“While they have never publicly confirmed those reports”

So, they clearly do not own a home in Portugal.

Why can’t the kids be kids in Montecito?

I'm pretty certain the 'house in Portugal' doesn't exist. Or they are renting/borrowing it.

And yes, it does seem odd that they have to travel across a continent and an ocean, to a country where they don't speak the language and know almost noone, in order for the kids 'to be kids'. Whatever that means.

PullTheBricksDown · 28/07/2026 13:16

BasiliskStare · 28/07/2026 13:04

If it were me and I were living in a place where my children of 7 & 5 or whatever they are couldn't be kids , I'd think it was time to move. I can't see a single reason living in a house with a huge garden , a pool , playground , by the sea , nice weather to enjoy it all kids couldn't be kids (what more does Portugal offer?) That also assumes they are well integrated into their schools and have local friends of course for times when they are at home.

ETA DS did not grow up in a house with a big garden and all the other loveliness , but he had good friends from school and we got on with our neighbours and he could be a "kid".

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Yes, the bit about 'they can just be kids' in Portugal is very odd. What are they doing in Montecito, sewing mailbags?

HAM are wealthy privileged people who don't have to live in any particular spot to do what they do (glossing over a lot there). If their children are not able to have a carefree childhood where they currently live, they are free to relocate to make this possible, and as people who have repeatedly stated that happy family life is their priority, you would think that's what they'd do.

BasiliskStare · 28/07/2026 13:18

If I had to make a blind guess , I suspect those houses in Portugal aren't selling out and M&H get use of one when they want a holiday in return for the implicit advert for the development and the mention of Soho house for interior decoration. That is pure speculation on my part.
I don't really care if they have bought one - or whether they have contacts who can give them a house for a holiday. It still doesn't explain to me why their children can't be " kids" in Monetcito.

Thedom · 28/07/2026 13:20

IcedPurple · 28/07/2026 13:12

I'm pretty certain the 'house in Portugal' doesn't exist. Or they are renting/borrowing it.

And yes, it does seem odd that they have to travel across a continent and an ocean, to a country where they don't speak the language and know almost noone, in order for the kids 'to be kids'. Whatever that means.

Yes, and Portugal beaches are not the most kid friendly. The ones I have been to have been steeply shelving, pretty rough around the shoreline and bloody cold, I did not like it one iota.

I can think of plenty nicer discreet places that do have great beaches and even private ones.

IcedPurple · 28/07/2026 13:21

Thedom · 28/07/2026 13:20

Yes, and Portugal beaches are not the most kid friendly. The ones I have been to have been steeply shelving, pretty rough around the shoreline and bloody cold, I did not like it one iota.

I can think of plenty nicer discreet places that do have great beaches and even private ones.

If only they lived in Southern California!

IcedPurple · 28/07/2026 13:41

BasiliskStare · 28/07/2026 13:18

If I had to make a blind guess , I suspect those houses in Portugal aren't selling out and M&H get use of one when they want a holiday in return for the implicit advert for the development and the mention of Soho house for interior decoration. That is pure speculation on my part.
I don't really care if they have bought one - or whether they have contacts who can give them a house for a holiday. It still doesn't explain to me why their children can't be " kids" in Monetcito.

Yes, it's obvious this is some sort of promotional arrangement. Free holidays in return for ensuring they get the name of the Portuguese development out there. How tawdry!

And again, if it weren't for the constant 'leaks' to favoured media sources, noone would have a clue where the family went on holiday. Or even that they had gone on holiday at all. How very ironic that a couple supposedly 'paranoid' about security would be happy for the world to know exactly where they and their young children spend their holidays. Not to mention posting photos of those kids in their swimsuits. But hey, you don't see their faces so it's fine.

PullTheBricksDown · 28/07/2026 13:44

BasiliskStare · 28/07/2026 13:18

If I had to make a blind guess , I suspect those houses in Portugal aren't selling out and M&H get use of one when they want a holiday in return for the implicit advert for the development and the mention of Soho house for interior decoration. That is pure speculation on my part.
I don't really care if they have bought one - or whether they have contacts who can give them a house for a holiday. It still doesn't explain to me why their children can't be " kids" in Monetcito.

I agree with this theory. People clearly don't want to state outright that HAM have bought a Portuguese property, as presumably an enterprising journalist could look for evidence of this and there wouldn't be any.

Perhaps the clumsy 'kids can be kids' line is because part of the deal with them getting access to one of the J Brooksbank company properties is some kind of positive comment about it or the area in the media? So they've taken the lazy easy option of getting People to publish it, and then People in turn have half arsed it and put in this weird justification that they didn't really think through and have just copied from all the other 'found freedom in California' articles.

bluegreygreen · 28/07/2026 13:58

KnickerlessParsons · 28/07/2026 13:02

That’s been mentioned before on MN and I think the consensus was that intentional deprivation of assets to get out of paying a debt/tax/anything else is illegal.

Regardless of the legality of that practice, it would be pointless.

California is one of 9 community property states in the USA. That means that debts as well as assets of the marriage belong to both parties.

(Edited to clarify meaning)

My2cents1975 · 28/07/2026 14:04

IcedPurple · 28/07/2026 13:41

Yes, it's obvious this is some sort of promotional arrangement. Free holidays in return for ensuring they get the name of the Portuguese development out there. How tawdry!

And again, if it weren't for the constant 'leaks' to favoured media sources, noone would have a clue where the family went on holiday. Or even that they had gone on holiday at all. How very ironic that a couple supposedly 'paranoid' about security would be happy for the world to know exactly where they and their young children spend their holidays. Not to mention posting photos of those kids in their swimsuits. But hey, you don't see their faces so it's fine.

IMHO the "face reveal" of the kids is inevitable.

It will be amusing to witness the pretzel twisting that ensues as the usual suspects recalibrate their current position of "but they don't show A&L's faces".

Morelovelyandtemperate · 28/07/2026 14:18

AnAutumnCrow · 28/07/2026 11:26

Do you know why land values in Montecito have allegedly rocketed, out of interest?

I’d have thought the risk of wild fires followed by flash flooding had increased so much, along with rises in insurance costs and potential increases in property taxes, that prices might be quite unstable. And El Niño is definitely here.

Edited to make it vaguely make sense Grin

Edited

I'd say prices have rocketed BECAUSE it didn't burn down. Like cottages in Somerset that don't have new kitchens, it means they haven't flooded and are worth buying.

Lunde · 28/07/2026 14:18

IcedPurple · 28/07/2026 13:10

Yes, and it also demonstrated beyond doubt that the Sussexes a) can travel to Britain without anyone being any the wiser and b) do not need elevated round the clock security. So I would say a win all round for Charles.

Exactly - no one really cared where Harry stayed in London nor where HAM and the kids stayed

Lunde · 28/07/2026 14:26

BasiliskStare · 28/07/2026 13:18

If I had to make a blind guess , I suspect those houses in Portugal aren't selling out and M&H get use of one when they want a holiday in return for the implicit advert for the development and the mention of Soho house for interior decoration. That is pure speculation on my part.
I don't really care if they have bought one - or whether they have contacts who can give them a house for a holiday. It still doesn't explain to me why their children can't be " kids" in Monetcito.

Eugenie's husband Jack Brooksbank is involved in marketing and sales at the luxury CostaTerra Golf and Ocean Club development - the same place that HAM allegedly "bought" a villa. I think the "HAM villa in Portugal" is just a marketing ploy to get the development some free media attention.

Kirys · 28/07/2026 14:42

Morelovelyandtemperate · 28/07/2026 14:18

I'd say prices have rocketed BECAUSE it didn't burn down. Like cottages in Somerset that don't have new kitchens, it means they haven't flooded and are worth buying.

@AnAutumnCrowBasically supply and demand, from Google:

Montecito, California, the rise has been exceptional even by luxury-market standards. Since around 2020, prices have increased by roughly 50–75%, depending on the measure and property type.

The main reasons are:

  1. Pandemic-driven migration of the ultra-wealthy
* COVID changed where wealthy people wanted to live. * Montecito offered privacy, large estates, a mild climate, and proximity to Los Angeles (about 90 minutes by helicopter or 2 hours by car). * Many buyers were paying cash, so rising interest rates had much less impact than in ordinary housing markets.

Extremely limited supply

  • Montecito is geographically constrained between the Pacific Ocean and the Santa Ynez Mountains.
  • Strict planning rules and large lot sizes mean very few new homes can be built.
  • When supply is almost fixed, even a modest increase in wealthy buyers pushes prices up sharply.
  1. Celebrity appeal helped—but wasn’t the main driver
* Residents such as Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, Gwyneth Paltrow and others increased Montecito’s profile. * However, local agents and economists generally argue the celebrities didn’t create the boom—they amplified awareness of an already highly desirable market.

The stock market and tech wealth

  • Between 2020 and 2021, many entrepreneurs, executives and investors saw enormous gains in stocks and private companies.
  • Those gains flowed into luxury real estate, especially in California’s prestige markets.
  1. Luxury markets behave differently
* A typical buyer of a £500,000 home is sensitive to mortgage rates. * A buyer spending US$15–30 million often pays mostly in cash, so higher interest rates after 2022 slowed the market far less.
JSMill · 28/07/2026 15:01

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 28/07/2026 14:53

That’s a very interesting article. It makes me think about some people I have met in my life! I disagree though that H has charisma. I wouldn’t say W has either but he’s definitely a very charming person.

Butteredtoast55 · 28/07/2026 15:08

Rhaidimiddim · 28/07/2026 10:17

The buried foetus would put me off. ( But if I were a journalist hunting for DNA...)

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@Rhaidimiddim What????!!! What have I missed?

Also, @LaMarschallin that is exactly what and who I think of when I hear 'My love' - Brucie Bonuses all round! 😂