AMW continuing his effort to end the Monarchy part 5

[simpsonthecat]

This will carry on... so new thread !

Link to old one below

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5527311-amw-continuing-his-effort-to-end-the-monarchy-part-4?page=20&reply=153382872

The Court Order is here

Justice Hilliard Order

The Police and Criminal Evidence Act is here

PACE 1984

The error has been that the original warrant was issued under section 8. This includes:
(1)If on an application made by a constable a justice of the peace is satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for believing—
(d)that it does not consist of or include items subject to legal privilege, excluded material or special procedure material;
This would exclude trade envoy documents subject to the Official Secrets Act.

They should have used section 9, which deals with 'Special provisions as to access'.

Apologies my theory was wrong that they might have got the owner of the properties wrong.

It was however, as I said, a technical point drafting the warrant. TVP sensibly admitted it early on but there is now a debate about the evidence gathered and whether it can still be used.

Well there is definitely a concerted effort currently to muddy the waters. The front of the Telegraph had this, today

Andrew allies compare arrest to police treatment of Lord Brittan

Those close to him believe the raids were executed to humiliate Mr M-W and to ensure maximum exposure for their investigation.

It carries on: Detectives investigating a non-existent VIP child abuse ring raided the home of senior public figures, including Lord Brittan.

Not quite the same - AMW was involved with Epstein and his very much existing abuse ring.

The Telegraph constantly promotes what the royal family want them to say.
That is a disgusting article.

TV news said the police made two RIPA applications, one to collect limited evidence which would exclude most or all trade envoy material, and one to seize more extensive evidence. The judge approved the warrant for only limited evidence to be seized, but more extensive evidence was actually seized.

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor returns Royal Lodge keys and pays £1.8m

https://www.thetimes.com/article/888db1f2-081d-4953-96a7-d2c6dc06e965?shareToken=bbd3e0ab3bb69f9f3902d19d33339eb6

I read yesterday that Charles paid Andrew compensation for surrendering the lease on royal lodge.

So now the King has bailed out Andrew again, how can he say that he is not financing him over his challenge?

There was a total £1.8m penalty for the "dilapidations" to Royal Lodge, but that has been reduced by the £300,000 Mountbatten-Windsor would have received for an early surrender of his lease.

King pays Andrew's £1.5m repair bill on Royal Lodge - BBC News

I love how they say his private income..the one that comes from the Duchies which is land and properties stolen way back when so future Kings did not have to beg the government for money. They rent to government institutions like the Ministry of Defence and NHS and collect rent from ohbwait taxpayers money! And yes they might only get the surplus income but to say its not taxpayers money is wrong.

Well he has no choice but tonrepair the building he needs to rent it out again afterall they need the money coming in.

It’s all very circular

Some clarity:

The King has private income which derives from the annual profits of the Duchy of Lancaster, as well as from other sources.
Duchy of Lancaster: Blanche of Lancaster was a considerable heiress and married John of Gaunt in 1359. Their son, Henry Bolingbroke, later Henry IV, inherited the fortune from his mother. The lands have been passed down to provide for the sovereign since then.
Under the relevant Duchy of Lancaster Acts, the Duchy is required to charge commercial rates for rent. This is overseen by the Treasury.

Similarly, government bodies such as the NHS are required to pay commercial rates as part of their standard procurement policies. This prevents any possible suggestion of corruption over large contracts, which has been an issue in the past.

Royal Lodge is owned by and rented out by The Crown Estate, not the King.
The Crown Estate

This doesn't explain though how either Duchy came to be exempt from absorption into the Crown Estate in 1760 although TBF I don't think the very recent aggressive drive for profit could have been foreseen then.

The demand for and payment of commercial rent would seem to be a technicality as W has proved in exempting grassroots organisations and latterly Dartmoor Prison from paying.

Seemingly there's nothing stopping wholesale refunds of the reprehensible skims imposed.

It is not true that the NHS are required to pay commercial rents. And in some circumstances they don't.

The primary guidance comes in this document, particularly the procurement section

Managing Public Money

Agree.

MW is supposed to have defaulted on the repayment of the money C3 'lent' him as part of the VG settlement.

I wonder why C3 against all the principles of prudent lending is coughing up more?

Plus. The repairs are estimated at £1.8m, eh?

I said way back when I thought MW was deliberately dragging his feet on getting the work done so as to stick the bill to C.

Looks like I was right.

The Sun's headline is "The King and I.O.U"

Charles is allowing AMW to save his own Navy pension and inheritance to mount legal challenges. Why can't the King read the title of this thread? 😈

The demand for and payment of commercial rent would seem to be a technicality as W has proved in exempting grassroots organisations and latterly Dartmoor Prison from paying

This is not unlike the assertion that Charles "couldn't" strip his brother of various titles, @CathyorClaire, only for us all to see it done when it suited

I'd have thought it obvious by now that if the RF are sufficienly keen on something being "done" then a way will be found for it to happen and then covered up if necessary, so it seems all we're left with is the mere hope they'll behave decently

A hope that's so far been widely frustrated ...

I know the NHS do not pay commercial rents always. It is true they have to check this doesn't come with strings attached. But some NHS services even pay zero rent.

Great headline but not great for KC. He really should cut his brother loose.

He won't. He has given home a house, is paying for his staff and security and giving him at least £1 million a year.

Prince Andrew received no direct inheritance from his mother. So what inheritance is he supposedly using to pay legal bills? His services pension will be about £22k a year. That is not paying his legal fees.

The bulk of the monatch’s assets go to the next monarch but that doesn’t mean they don’t also leave subatantial amounts to others as well.

I’d presume that the late Queen left her other children plus her grandchildren money. And Philip might have left his kids money too.

If Andrew had been left money by Elizabeth he would have had to pay tax. We know he didn't.
Money is transferred monarch to monarch to avoid tax.
Elizabeth may have asked Charles to give Andrew a set amount though.

Although at the time, sources said Andrew was frustrated that Charles refused to divide the inheritance he received fr9m his mother amongst his siblings.