PR disasters - thread 19

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Can’t see a new thread and am pretty sure there is still lots to discuss !

On the matter of outriders and motorcycle cavalcades you don't have to be Royal to get them. Oh no. Some years ago DH and I were on a trip to London and were about to cross Shaftesbury Avenue when a stream of motorbikes with flashing lights appeared and blocked off all the traffic light crossing points. DH huffed at being delayed , but I said "Ooh, maybe one of the Royals is coming to the theatre" and watched eagerly. We waited a while, my excitement rising, and then a raggle taggle group of protestors appeared, marching down the road with their cardboard placards shouting "We want Brexit Now"! DH huffed even more and said he wasn't going to wait for them, moving to barge his way through. I grabbed him and said "For goodness sake, what if you were photographed in amongst them, everyone would think you'd been with the demo!"
Anyway, the motley crowd had an escort Harry would have been delighted with. 😂

I agree. This is her standard MO in life with husbands, partners, friends, family, colleagues - once she has ‘done the math’ and their value to her upward trajectory is questioned they are discarded.

She has already been exposed for discussing the post divorce book with a publisher - she probs has NF, Oprah, Spotify and PRH all teed up - once shes sure she has rung PH dry - she will push the button on the divorce and cash in on the above. It’s probably a bit like looking at her pension forcast and calculating when to do the drawn down.

AIUI, many psychologists think that people get stuck in terms of emotional development if they are subject to a massive trauma. That would make sense for Harry - he was 12 when his mother died. I feel desperately sorry for the 12-year-old Harry, but have absolutely no time for the man he has become.

This one isn't new and he's moaned about palace staff being involved before - apparantly forgetting that to protect the RF effectively they need input from the staff about their arrngements

But is her title helping her at all ? The pair of them have tried merching it and it's not working. I think it would be more lucrative to sell H down the river

I can see that selling out Harry would be lucrative, @Starryfifty, but as with doing the same to the rest of the family it would only last so long - and that's if anyone believed a word she said

I also strongly believe that, knowing what Harry's like better than most, they'll have placed much of "his" money in trusts, etc, thus putting them beyond anyone else's reach
Doubtless Meghan would claim she'd been thoroughly stitched up, but if it came to that would anyone even care?

Oh god did you have to, Starryfifty - I'd managed to suppress that horror!!

Absolutely pitiful, and very noticeable that his pupils are so dilated in what looks like pretty bright light

He's very obviously off his face on something

This and ok I'm guessing here but from my experience, it looks like he's either drunk or high a lot of the time. So much going on with this guy. Low intellect, boredom, lack of life/practical skills, boorish. I could go on

Yes, same here 🤔

Please do.

And his brother was only 15 , and by accounts ( not saying they are true but there are ) D leaned on W more.

I agree with you Squeaky. If H hasn't managed to find a way of dealing with his mother's death , after a protracted publicly funded inquest , any research he could do , and speaking to his brother , well he can afford some more therapy , if that he has had hasn't worked. Or he's cynical. Or dim. I don't know. Of course I am sympathetic but he's in his mid 40s now. That makes me sound harsh - I know - but at his age banging on about papparazi and his mother - well I'm a bit inclined to believe he is a full shilling short of a pound .

Both brothers suffered the same trauma, and neither. it seems, was given the psychological support they really should have got in the aftermath of their mother's death. However, PW did the hard yards of therapy since then (he appears to have dressed it as a consequence of his air ambulance work, but I'm certain he would have used that therapy to address all of his trauma). PW also has an absolute tight knit group of friends, along with his family, and he seems to have come out the other end a well-balanced individual, with a surety about his priorities in life - his family, and his mental health.

PH said he's had therapy, but it appears to have had the opposite effect - is it just bad luck, for example did he have a bad therapist that set him back more than helping? Is it the drugs? Is it the choice of a narcissist as a wife, being away from his home country with no friends in sight? Such different outcomes, and PH's issues likely began long before he met MM, but his relationship with her seems to have resulted in the absolute worst possible outcome - he's angry permanently and looking for someone to blame, he's paranoid and absolutely lost in a world where the paps that contributed to his mother's car crash and death are a permanent fear for him. It's a tragedy - but I can't see a trip to the UK will in any way improve his MH.

PW has also been able to escape into normal (relatively) life with the Middletons. I think that must play a massive part in keeping him sane.

WRT royal titles, as pp posted the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester cease to be royal dukedoms when the current Dukes die. They become Dukedoms like Westminster, Norfolk etc

York will revert to the Crown when AMW dies.

Edinburgh was changed to be a lifetime rather than hereditary peerage and again will revert to the Crown.

Sussex will also cease to be a Royal Dukedom when H dies. PW maybe able to change this to a lifetime peerage so again it reverts to the Crown

I can see lifetime peerages rather than hereditary maybe used going forward, particularly for Charlotte and Louis. It keeps them in the gift of the crown.

It is possible for Dukedoms etc. to be inherited by women, the most recent I can think of is when Earl Mountbatten of Burma died his daughter inherited the title as Countess Mountbatten and currently her son is Earl Mountbatten.

It is so very easy to comment on families which are not your own. I I would normally try not to. However H saying he cannot bring his children over "because they would be followed by the paparazzi '. It seems odd. Times have changed. H could bring his family over very privately to meet his family. I can't believe there isn't a way this could be done within the confines of royal premises and not telling anyone it was going to happen. I simply don't know. He does seem a bit stuck in time. And also not quite getting his father can't tell the govt what to do. It's a shame. But he's old enough he needs to sort himself out. If he can't or won't there is nothing his father nor brother can do. Between he and M though , even with M & the intern 😂😉they must realise PR is not going their way at the moment with H's petulant random statements.

The Telegraph, from Celia Walden:

HEADING: Enough of the psychodrama, Harry. Make peace with your father

SUB-HEADING: Instead of performing in the endless Sussex circus, the Duke must use his UK visit to reconcile with the King

EXCERPT: … What I can’t fathom is how Harry and Meghan aren’t themselves bored of the circus, drained to the point of agreeability? Why do they seem to do everything in their power to ramp things up, rather than keep the peace? Isn’t that what “adulting” is about? Biting your tongue and keeping the peace because you have kids now, and family is family?

I don’t know Harry, and he’s a very different man from the one he once was, but for years, he came across as someone who just wanted an easy life. Certainly – and I’m trying to find a kind way of putting this – he doesn’t seem likely to be the one behind all the “Machiavellian” media moves. And the quotation marks are there because most of the time, these are terribly bungled attempts at manipulating the narrative that dramatically backfire …

On this ^^ I think Celia Walden vastly underestimates Harry’s involvement in this shitshow. I think the comments BTL are putting that point across.

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2026/06/29/prince-harry-meghan-psychodrama-uk-visit/#comment

I just wonder if it has dawned on him , that albeit the titles etc , without being a member of the WRF , he is essentially a nepo baby ( Is that the phrase ? 😊) writ large . He has no real importance apart from money and clicks. & I don't think he likes it. He's been used to being important and listened to and protected and looked after just because he's H.

@AnAutumnCrow - Thank you for that post. I know it's been said before but I think H&M are a bit of a follie a deux . I think they are both to blame for the various debacles. But the point about "adulting" is absolutely spot on. How 2 middle aged people can't put their children and their relationship with their wider family ( on both sides ) before themselves I find astonishing, and a little sad.

I’ve noticed all the journos seem to be using the word “psychodrama” about this latest episode. It’s interesting because I’ve not ever really seen that used as a descriptor for them before in the MSM

What a bellend!!! 😬

This

🤣🤣 “ it’s not faaiirrr!”

Sometimes the succinct comment is worth a paragraph 😂

i like it short and to the point!! 😁

If Ravec gave him what he wanted, it would be a total disaster. All 4 of them would be over and back constantly (they have f** all else to do) then demand same for Commonwealth countries etc. Would then progress to demanding roles for their children etc. The less time in the UK for the toxic duo the better

Do they actually have any way to continue to make money? All I’ve seen is the debt they seem to have acquired?

I really don't think so. They've lost Netflix, Spotify, As Ever, that hostess programme. I don't know what else they can do. Merching her clothes on the Australia trip was a new low.