PR disasters - thread 19

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Can’t see a new thread and am pretty sure there is still lots to discuss !

I know one is as thick as the other but I would have assumed Meg marginally smarter. She knows they need RF adjacency. They need them all seen in the UK meeting KC. Perhaps it is him driving this security nonsense

Alas, divorce is inevitable. I really don't think it will last until KC passes. That could be another 10 years. Oh lord, those poor kids will be teens

The average royal visit isn't representing the Monarch though. I doubt there would be a convoy with blocked off traffic every time Anne or Edward visits a charity. Probably no armed police either.

I you were to sit the dunce Harry down and ask him to explain exactly what is wrong with his current security arrangements I don't think he'd be able to tell you. "Security" is symbolic of the royal status he chose to give up.

She loves the title though, she won't give that up.

True. Would her title automatically go when she's divorced?

Good question. I don't think so.

It's not really 'her' title. It's Harry's. In the sexist British system, married in royal women do not get titles in their own right. If they were to divorce she'd be allowed to use the courtesy title, Meghan, Duchess of Sussex but if she were to remarry she would have to give that up.

Mind you, now as a married woman she insists on calling herself Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex which is not the correct styling. She hasn't got a clue.

But is her title helping her at all ? The pair of them have tried merching it and it's not working. I think it would be more lucrative to sell H down the river

It’s not even Harry’s, it’s ours, bestowed by the monarch. And can be unbestowed, as AMW and SF have discovered.

I don't think it is helping her. Everyone calls her Meghan Markle anyway!

But I do think she is motivated by status more than money (although she loves both). So she will absolutely insist on that title even if it makes her look ridiculous.

Just to back up @IcedPurple here , Meghan has no title of her own. She is Duchess of Sussex because she is married to the Duke of Sussex , given to H on his marriage. It's sexist and mayhap these things will slowly die out , esp as the order of succession has been altered to include women. The precedent the RF to date have used is that a divorced wife can use the title with different wording , but it's very nuanced for those not interested. I would have thought it would be, after Fergie etc quite easy to say , upon divorce she might use Mrs M-W.

But I'd bet a pound to a pint of oranges she might make sure she was MM The former Duchess of Sussex.

Maybe I'm soppy , but I still hope they are happy together and it will not come to divorce & H can just calm down a bit and be happy with the lovely life he could lead.

He would say that he should have the same as William .
Plain and simple .

I have always thought that Meghan was as enthusiastic about getting security when they left the RF. Nothing to do with being unsafe and everything to do with arriving places presidential motorcade style. Harry then got the bit between his teeth and thought that she was as paranoid about safety as he was, and of course he always conflates her with his mother who was “practically murdered”
according to his delusional beliefs.
Now I think Meghan has indeed realised that they need to be royal adjacent at a bare minimum and it is dawning on her that their security demands are going nowhere and they are shooting themselves in the foot. So she is backtracking. Again

I think if they got divorced Harry would loose his title so she can’t keep it.
There’s no way the RF can risk her having a title that they have zero say in what she does with it. At the moment with them being married there is still some control - which is why the titles need removing from from all of them.
One fell swoop.
It could sort out several problems in one fell swoop -ie the York Princesses.
Luckily Louise and James never took Princess/Prince so they would be unaffected.
Removal of all titles apart from those in the direct line/working royals.
The Duke of Gloucester & Kent titles go back to the crown too.
Streamlines, keeps royal titles royal and gets rid of a few ‘problems’ rather than resorting to the traditional cask of malmsey wine!

The Dukes of Gloucester and Kent are very elderly. Their Dukedoms cease to be royal for their heirs. So there's no problem there.

It’s what I’ve said as well @DaisyDooley makes sense and more 21st century. Also I think Prince/SS for heir and working royals only. So Charlotte and Louis lose theirs as well. But that maybe too radical for some 😁

Or HE would.

I think if they got divorced Harry would loose his title so she can’t keep it.
There’s no way the RF can risk her having a title that they have zero say in what she does with it

I honestly don't think they really care about empty courtesy peerage titles. Sarah Ferguson did all sorts of tacky stuff as 'Sarah, Duchess of York', a much more prestigious title than 'Sussex'.

The key thing is HRH, and the Queen was very quick to forbid them using that in the Sandringham Agreement. Nobody much cares about peerage titles.

We need someone better informed than me to answer this question.

I think you will find the rest of the world and Meghan care very much.
The titles should be removed fullstop in the event of a divorce. I’m sick of them taking the piss.

Apparently they are now ‘demanding’.
https://archive.is/FERUu
im sick to the back teeth of them. Demanding taxpayer funded security for ‘visits’ they do not have to do.

Yes. Meghan Sussex is such a joke 😂😂

It didn't with Fergie or Diana, did it?

Charlotte and Louis could keep theirs if they work, like Anne and Edward.
Otherwise, they go.

@OctopusFriend Kent & Gloucester have always been royal titles though. Which is why the dukedoms should stop - Gloucesters son stays Earl of Ulster and Kent’s stays Earl of St Andrews on the respective deaths of their fathers and the dukedoms go back into the Royal pot- like York. That’s what I would like to see. Plus it’s an easy way to remove Sussex.

No and look how it turned out with Fergie. She was feted all over America and sold her royal title for everything she could.
Haven’t they learned anything??

Also I don’t know why the York sisters kept the York when their father had lost the Dukedom.
It makes no sense and I don’t know how it would be possible.
When a title is lost/removed it also applies to your descendants.
When Prince and Princess Christian (Helena, Queen Victorias daughter ) of Schleswig Holstein lost their German title after The Great War their daughters just became Her Highness Princess Marie-Louise and Princess Helena Victoria - so there IS precedent for it.
They can’t be Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom as that is reserved for daughters of the monarch (so Charlotte will be HRH The Princess Charlotte of the United Kingdom in time).