PR Disasters chapter 12

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Meg n Harry giving us plenty to talk about as usual…..

Is this Afghanistan project another “I’m about to be announced as the new face of Dior” or whatever it was? Let’s just say any old shite to grab a headline and look relevant…

I expect it’s another “Live to lead” and Girl Scout Cookie project - ie an already made production that is looking for a distribution agreement. Meghan and Harry have attached their names to them to open doors (and use the linkage to burnish their “producer” credentials) but had nothing to do with the actual production stage.

I agree with you but this will continue for years. I imagine Will and C will be hugely popular when they ascend to the throne and it will be relentless headline grabbing from Montecito. It'll become problematic eventually

Archewell Productions are in partnership with Netflix. According to Archewell website. No Way Out sounds like a promising project but why ruin any chance of it being successful with these two grifters??

I just imagined Harry having a total meltdown about his ‘Pa’ taking away his thunder with his visit to Golders Green.
probably thinks KC did it to steal his big moment.

I hope he feels a bit silly now when he sees the attention his father got versus his ramblings.
Think it’s time he just kept quiet for a while, though obviously he won’t

I do agree with your general point that a single shot can be used to fit in with any story, @FallenNight.

I think the same about 2-3 second clips taken from longer videos.

Like others here, I think that KC3 did a lot of stuff before becoming King. I think "just hanging around waiting for his mum to die" is a bit harsh. What was he supposed to do? Knock her off early? It's not the Middle Ages any more.

For what it's worth, my own (fairly uninformed) take on KC3 is that he was a patchy PoW but is a very good King. And I think he sees those two jobs as very significantly different. I remember a a report from the time of his accession which mentioned some of the more controversial/critical comments he'd made over the years (might have been on architecture?). KC3 was asked whether he'd continue with that line now that he was King, and he made it clear that he wouldn't, because it would be really inappropriate in a monarch.

I think he saw his time as PoW as giving him more leeway to indulge his own personal views and (sometimes) be a bit more unwise. But as King then I think he has a very strong vision of how a monarch ought to behave, and he makes a huge effort to live up to that. And he manages - for example - an absolutely triumphant visit to the US, under difficult political circumstances, and at a time when he has health problems.

The fact that his time as PoW was so long is really overshadowing his performance as King. I think there's a case for judging him separately in the two different rôles.

Removing him from the line of succession is messy because it immediately bumps up the York descendents. Really it would have to be one fell swoop down to the Edinburgh/Anne level, but that looks like silly buggers.

Best left to fade away.

For what it's worth, my own (fairly uninformed) take on KC3 is that he was a patchy PoW but is a very good King. And I think he sees those two jobs as very significantly different

Problem with Prince of Wales post is there is no defined role or job it's literally a place holder role - and he held the post for longest. After him it was Edward VII - Bertie Queen Victoria's son and I don't think he did anything of note in the role as his mother kept him away from power.

I think he did more with the role than most but his first marriage and it's end did damage him but then he also also in role during the worst excess of the tabloid press - and anything royal sold papers. I do think he'd done better as King but then there are clear guidlines and clear roles to step into.

Charles or Harry?

Ad hominem attacks are never particularly helpful in putting forward a case.

Meghan is always like this. It's never about the crowd unless it's a foil to her greatness.

She does sound bonkers though.

A poster's description of her own experience of someone, and of the perception of that person across many countries, does not make them sound 'bonkers'.

It is by virtue of the respect that Charles does command across many nations that he had the effect he did in the US last month.

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Apparently Rory McIlroy has been reminiscing.
Memories may vary.

Trump likes a successful golfer - RM was invited to the state dinner.

I agree with @Derrawa and @AprilMizzel and others. Charles had a long apprenticeship. He obviously didn't get everything right. His marriage divided people owing to Diana's , at the time, huge popularity. In adulthood he lived through the times when the RF had less automatic deference ( I'm not saying that was a good thing) and much more scrutiny in the press etc. However , I think he has learned his trade. I am sure he will never be the most popular monarch ever but I think he will be more than a "caretaker" and I do think as I said before history will be kinder to him than contemporaneous accounts will have often indicated. This will be unpopular with many but I actually think Camilla has turned out to be a good thing. My goodness she's been trolled , and I don't think she enjoys the flummery , but she seems to be a calm head which given people have accused Charles of self pity and petulance over the years is probably a good thing. I for one am happy the nonsense about skipping Charles and straight to W is over.

My dad and step mum were in a role that meant they met the then Prince and Princess of Wales many times over. They ended up fond (I’m struggling for the correct word) of both of them despite the political party they were representing being anything but in favour of the RF and The Prince of Wales in particular.

Is this perchance the same Richard Eden who insists on Project Thaw ?

https://archive.ph/36OgS

Lauren the Insider like Tom Sykes, thinks it’s part of project thaw and that Harry is acting as an “agent” for the government with the King’s backing, she thinks the same with regards to the visits to Jordan and Ukraine that they would never have happened without government approval. It does seem really strange to me that this article came out at the same time as the King’s speech and his visit to Golders Green, coincidence or inside knowledge? I honestly don’t know what to think anymore, publicly it seems Harry is out in the cold but after the article of the Kings’s aid making it his mission to “bang Harry and Williams heads together” I’m not so sure.

I suppose commentators need content, but I’m surprised if anyone with a brain in their head thinks project thaw is anything anyone in the RF has even heard of, never mind engaged with. It is so obviously not a project at all.

As for the spectator article, I assume - as it is politically on brand for them - that it was written by a spectator staffer. Tantrums, as any parent knows, are best ignored.

Isn’t Project Thaw effectively what the PR poster, Givemespankopita thought was going on? Especially after Harry’s PR and Tobin Andre were pictured meeting?

Yes it was, she seemed to know her trade, certainly not brainless.