PR Disasters chapter 12

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Meg n Harry giving us plenty to talk about as usual…..

It is alarming! I switch to a different tab so I don't have to watch 😂

Why do they put this out? Another fail. They just can't seem to follow any project through

"I’m not sure where he gets the idea that his earnest, usually aggrieved personal commentary is of inherently greater value than anyone else’s because he used to live in draughty castles."

Yes! The writer has nailed both his self importance and why nothing he says makes any impact beyond a day's click bait.

As Oscar Wilde said. The only thing worse than been talked about is not being talked about

So true with this pair of media hungry twats

Congratulations @BasiliskStare on your archiving!

The Express So while Harry continues to reflect on his past - truly, his greatest talent - his father is busy shaping the present, and I think we can all agree which is more effective.

The Telegraph Where the Princess of Wales humanely creates space for other people, the tone-deaf Duke of Sussex relates everything back to his own journey and his own growth.

The trouble with H is he is aware his previous life has given him a platform , but he hasn't got the wit to know when, or indeed if, to use it. He's all a bit "Have half baked opinion - will travel". He doesn't know what he doesn't know and that makes him a loose cannon. His platform is really more of a soapbox now. He ought to be worried about the much more informed critical analysis of his article by members of the Jewish community and others than I suspect he is. Similarly re Ukraine. Similarly mental health.

Thanks @bluegreygreen - I know you have bailed out my ineptitude before 😊

would Charles really risk alienating not just William but Catherine and the children as well I wonder? We were told Charles “red line” was Camilla, Harry went for Camilla so is Camilla not a red line after all if he lets Harry back in? is Harry more important to him than his wife, his other son, his daughter in law and his 3 grandchildren?

There's no knowing, @basiliskstare, but it's hardly news that Charles can be un-bothered about who he alienate in pursuit of his own way

FWIW I don't put much store in this "project thaw" thing either, but leaving a mess for the next generation has already been trialled by his mother, and as for Camilla she has nowhere to go except back to Raymill and the Bensons

Who knows that thos might not suit her though? Certainly I don't expect William to have much use for her when he takes over

Hope this doesn't count as a derail but I wonder if these discussions about the sovereign grant will spark a review of the working royals / titles.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g0e92dp6ko

If Harry wants to move into commenting on the international political stage, then it should be clearer that he is doing so as a private citizen and his activities are not being supported in any way by either the Palace or the UK government.

@Puzzledandpissedoff I don't think that quote was me but no matter!

But I do agree with you on this
re Camilla "Certainly I don't expect William to have much use for her when he takes over"

The truth is if Camilla is around longer than KC she has no real role - certainly not one which we've seen in modern times. She isn't the Queen Mother. I suspect she'd be more than happy to get back to Ray Mill , and possibly the B&H s . What I could see is her carrying on for a while with some of her charities eg literacy , osteoporosis and DV until there is someone interested who could take over and in a slimmed down monarchy W might be happy with this. I can't see her turning up to lots of royal events though in the way QEQM did.

If Harry wants to move into commenting on the international political stage, then it should be clearer that he is doing so as a private citizen and his activities are not being supported in any way by either the Palace or the UK government.

Clearer than this?

Statement from Buckingham Palace

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the Royal Family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives.

As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties.

With The Queen's blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations. While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.

The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.

Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements.
There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security.

This new model will take effect in the Spring of 2020.

I don't think Camilla will want a significant role once Charles dies - I suspect she would prefer to have less of the current role!

The charities she works with are mostly ones she has worked with for years, so is likely to continue. She may well have a small London residence to help keep up with them but mostly stay in the country. I'd expect to see her at Ascot on her own account, probably Catherine's Carol Service, not sure about other occasions like Trooping.

Yes, I do feel that there needs to be a re-statement or redrawing of lines in the sand. The recent timings of Harry's pronouncements on Ukraine and anti-semitism have sparked rumours of co-ordination or help. Harry should drop the use of his titles when he comments as a private citizen as this seems to be giving him a platform he has not earned and does not seem to be intellectually equipped for. He can call himself a Prince to his heart's content at home.

The Telegraph Where the Princess of Wales humanely creates space for other people, the tone-deaf Duke of Sussex relates everything back to his own journey and his own growth.

Thanks @bluegreygreen this is the perfect summary of why I don't like the Sussexs.

What shallow minded view, not to mention totally inaccurate.

I suspect history will treat Charles more kindly than he is oft thought of today.
I think it would be hard to see how anyone could have carried off the US State Visit better than he and there did seem to be genuine warmth towards him during the Golders Green visit. OK , just two recent examples. Once you forget the "Defender of Faiths" thing , he has tried I think to foster interfaith dialogue and tolerance , forget the talking to plants , he has been talking about the environment before it was mainstream . That's not saying he's perfect.

This is from the Spectator re H's article. I don't agree with the "waves of hate" re M but I think he makes some good points. & this from someone who admits to feeling warmly towards them.

https://archive.ph/OctTO

I think Meg is a grubby grifter but she does get more hatred than H, who imo is every bit as bad

I honestly do get all of that in principle, saltytea, but the issue is stopping him, and the days when someone could be shoved into the tower are gone

Unfortunately Harry's febrile mind and sense of endless grievance results in everything being seen as an attack to be rebuttal, and there's little the palace can do about that except let him go right on making a fool of himself

I completely agree with this. I think that most of criticism and dislike of Charles comes from his relationship failures with Diana and relationship with Camilla. He obviously made mistakes, but so do many and Diana was not perfect either. Time has given people more perspective on that, in terms of state history a love triangle becomes court gossip.

His commitment to the crown and the country is undeniable, his relationships with his family (except the absent Sussexes) appears warm and loving. His passions for the environment and young people are admiral and now, less rediculous than they were years ago. He has recently proven to be a great speaker and excellent diplomat. Just when we needed one.

There's an article about MH today in the Times supplement.
Headlines "The Southbank boss's Crass opinions threaten the arts centre he's meant to lead".
Annoyingly, as usual with the Times it's behind a paywall.
I've tried to add a photo of the introduction but don't know if I've been successful. Ah! Image under review...

Oh thank you! Here it is:

https://archive.ph/Kfu6F

Thanks, @Indianrollerbird 😊

Good article, thank you @LaMarschallin . Shame it didn't delve a bit deeper into Harriman. How he went from being a financier (there's allegations his advice resulted in Boris Becker's bankruptcy and jailing) to, seemingly overnight in 2017, "expert", "celebrity" photographer and besties with the pre-marriage Sussexes. A meteoric rise into the "Arts" world without having any background in anything artistic.

Harry's puff pieces are always referenced Duke, KC son etc. I do think removing his title would go a long way tbh. Media wouldn't be arsed promoting him, etc. RF starting to look like a soap opera, thanks to AMW, Fergie and the Sussexes

@Starryfifty I'm not sure removing the titles would make much difference. He would be referred to as the former......a bit like AMW so the titles would still be there in the headlines. The cost of removing them would be an unnecessary headache.