PR Disasters chapter 12

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Meg n Harry giving us plenty to talk about as usual…..

Yes his chest will be all puffed out thinking he is a great statesman, just like he thought the Australia “tour” was a great success when it was a huge PR fail, Harry really believes he is the second coming, I wish someone would slap him down.

I believe the real reason MSM doesn’t run with the slapping arse story and others is that they are well in the pocket of the RF. Scratching each other’s back for stories and good PR.

If you’d have told me 25-30 years ago that MSM were all over Camilla and even calling her Queen, I’d have laughed in your faces.

The PR turn around for Camilla. It’s a master class on how to spin and turn public opinion.

When Charles and Camilla married in 2005 Clarence House announced it was the intention that she would be known as Princess Consort on Charles accession.

However on 2022 on her jubilee the Queen let it be known that it was her sincere wish that Camilla would be known as Queen Consort when Charles became King.

For 20 years they said she would never be Queen. They lied. They always lie. Look at all lies coming out about Andrew.

In my opinion Charles is a weak, pathetic King and until his speech in the USA didn’t see the point of royalty. But now at the grand old age of 60 I can see some use for them (apart from being a great source of gossip!)

Hopefully William will slim the monarch right down, be more transparent about taxes etc and keep a modern royalty relevant.

Sorry bit of a rant there! But just pisses me off when MSM play their games with the RF.

his blunders into his version of "diplomacy"

Including, of course, his 'helpful' comments on Gaza when in Jordan.

@Universe25
In my opinion Charles is a weak, pathetic King
Compared to which other monarch? All Western monarchs in living memory have had their speeches mostly written for them. Charles is softly spoken, likes talking to plants and isn't a regular racer, but why would you think he was weak? What power did you expect him to wield?
He told the world that his beloved son was now happy living as a private citizen in California. And he's said nothing about Harry ever since. I think that's pretty strong.
He has stood by his two passions of the Kings Trust and conservation since the 70s (?), before do-gooding at root levels and conservation were fashionable.
He isn't tall or elegant like William and Harry, but that's just genetics. He isn't good looking, again, not much any of us can do about that.
He was brought up to do a job that he did inherit until his 70s. He must be shattered.
I'm not a monarchist, but I now admire Charles. I think he is an excellent King.

How can a randomer have such optimistic intel on KC3 health / cancer recovery - I doubt any oncologists would dare call it. KC3 doesn’t even look well (understandably) and hasn’t aged well even before his diagnosis.

@Universe25 I agree with you that Charles masterminded an astonishing comeback for Camilla. But I genuinely don't think the RF are protecting Harry from bad press now. Witness the massive nosedive in popularity he's experienced since he's no longer in the fold to see how much they were managing his image before he left.

hayfever good question but I’ll answer briefly as this isn’t a Charles bashing thread :)

I have always found him a bit pathetic, just hanging around waiting for his mum to die. From getting his valets put his toothpaste on his toothbrush, having his shoe laces pressed flat and having to have his bath at the exact temperature. But mainly probably the way he treated Diana.

I have softened towards him slightly when I see clips of him with his grandkids and the way he delivered of his speech at the senate. I’d never heard him speak before so was surprised how good he was.

Can’t stand the man really or should I say his image, which I’m sure he loses no sleep over ;)

No I really do think they’re still covering his back, maybe not giving him advice anymore, as he doesn’t listen. But still trying to keep some of the worst stories out the MSM.

Will be interesting to read back on these threads in 20 years time to see if Harry is back in the fold, which I suspect he will be. Sadly, and hopefully I’m wrong, I can’t see his marriage lasting.

From getting his valets put his toothpaste on his toothbrush

I think this has become an urban myth, it was only when he had a broken arm and couldn’t do it himself, which is fair enough, I don’t think it on the job description of a valet to squeeze toothpaste onto his brush! As for “hanging around waiting for his mum to die” very unfair, you make it sound like he’s done nothing all his life when in fact he has done a huge amount as Prince of Wales, the Princes Trust now the King’s Trust is just one example.

H&M are actually very well matched. Both adore the fame, status and adoration and quite prepared to do anything to get it

Agree.

He used his Navy pay-off to set up the Prince's Trust. Now the King's Trust, it's just celebrated 50 years.

That's thousands of young people helped over those years.

I’m not sure what makes Tom Sykes a “randomer”. He’s from the posho circle that surrounds the RF (his sister is Plum Sykes), he was one of Tina Brown’s proteges, former royal rota and is currently European editor at large at the Daily Beast. He gets his intel from sources, the same as every other royal journalist.

I wonder whether Meghan will pop up
overnight pushing that horrible looking one pot spaghetti dish, and claiming she’s 43% pasta.

Well they are at it again . This time it's Afghanistan.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2205688/prince-harry-meghan-markle-new-netflix-film/amp

He had a broken arm when his valet put toothpaste on his toothbrush.

sorry, I’ve just seen the other reply to this.

I haven’t clicked on the article as can’t stand the express, but they have previously’planned’ a lot of things, doesnt mean they will actually happen.

just hanging around waiting for his mum to die

Well, no. No, he didn’t. But you crack on. You seem to have your mind made up, without actually knowing anything much.

Even if it does happen, it’s likely to be another failure to add to their long and growing list of failures. Wasn’t the last one the Girl Scout documentary ? that seems to be dead in the water despite it being pick up by some random distributor.

I don’t think it’s fair to say he has just been hanging around waiting for his mother to die. He’s done a lot in his role as Prince of Wales , far more than William. He can’t help his constitutional role.

I stand by my earlier statement. People who viewed KC3 solely through the lens of his failed first marriage and believe the 90s War of the Wales tabloid construct of KC3 are generally surprised by the fact that he is far more complex and capable individual.

KC3 was for the environment before it was cool and was mocked and harshly criticised. KC3 was for inter-faith dialogue and it still isn't cool...he has been accused of being an extremist Christian and a closeted Muslim at the same time. KC3 supported youth from all racial backgrounds before that was cool too via his King's Trust programs.

There is no perfect leader, but KC3 has done a decent job of the whole monarch thing.

@Universe25 his job as constitutional HoS role didn’t actually start until his mother died. That’s the job description. Hardly his fault. I think he did what he could as PoW. Same with William, his constitutional role won’t start until Charles’ death or incapacity.

Catching up with the thread. I don't believe there is any evidence of a Project Thaw, in fact it's the contrary. We know how the palace PR go about changing someone's public image and getting the press on side because they did it with Camilla. It is slow and subtle and doesn't include clapbacks. It involves a decade of the principal quietly supporting causes and taking the brick bats and rumors and lies from the press without comment. And in my opinion there was far less justification in the attacks in Camilla than those on Harry and Meghan, who have always been their own worst enemies.

In contrast with Harry and Meghan, "recollections may vary" and the King made one statement on his accession that they are making their lives abroad. Palace PR has made known their displeasure at Harry leaking every meeting he has with the King and that's it. They weren't referred to in the US because they are not part of the working family. The Foreign Office made a statement when they went to Nigeria that made it clear they don't represent the UK. There is no need to keep releasing statements because nothing has changed.

There is simply no evidence that the palace is trying to bring them back but plenty that they are firmly out.

And I really think Harry's article is simply all of a piece with him constantly jumping on band wagons for attention. It shows his ignorance and contributes nothing of value.

Here another opinion piece on H's NS article. As a bonus she separately mentions M's (what I shall always now think of as ) sitting in the butter photos

As ever I don't know how to archive - if someone can point me to the instructions again I'll try in future , but thank you for those who have taken up my incompetent slack in the meantime.

www.dailymail.com/debate/article-15819189/JAN-MOIR-Harry-beaming-Montecito-latest-intervention.html

The article says this will be the latest feature film for Harry and Meghan
Where are their previous feature films?
Or do the "escape to freedom" series and the polo thing count?
I presume this will end up filed away with the Miss Haversham story and Meet Me at the Lake, but you never know 🤷‍♀️
They're certainly piling on the attempts to get publicity atm.

So it begins! https://apple.news/AMR_QA180RFCBMcGqZd6A3Q