PR Disasters chapter 12

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Meg n Harry giving us plenty to talk about as usual…..

Thanks for that.

I still can’t quite get over their expectation that the king should put his constitutional duties to one side, ignore the interests of the UK, forget his diplomatic remit of reinforcing relations with our most important ally and gently influencing a volatile president at a time of intensely precarious global politics. So yeah, never mind all that - jeopardise it in fact - just so long as you tell him not to take the piss out of Harry and Meghan. When Harry had deliberately baited Trump a week or so earlier. And when they have no constitutional or indeed any other significance in the UK. (Not like if Trump were mocking W+C.)

The king’s handling of the state visit was so well done, incredibly deft, remarkable really. And they call it disloyalty. Those two, accusing Charles of disloyalty after everything they have put the RF through. This is such a mind boggling take, it’s basically ticks off a whole bunch of diagnostic criteria all on its own.

I wish...

There is a definite clash between those of us who think if someone puts real thought and effort into a gift, that is the gift, the 'stuff/ object' is a representation of their care, and it's churlish and unkind to reject it even if it's not exactly what you would choose. And those who think this is silly and wasteful and it makes sense to be honest and get what you want.

We had this clash of approach in my family with my SIL who was fully on the 'if I don't like it I'll just tell you so I can get what I want' way of thinking, and my family who found this really hurtful and a bit shocking.
She just thought this was good sense and prevented waste.

It often comes up on MN threads about gifts, and people have really different views, and it seems to be a family culture thing.

It's no suprise M is of the ' what I want is above your feelings' school of thought.

All this ring talk has made me do my nails today and wear some of favourite rings and admire my lovely wrinkley hands.

Tom Sykes, who has never believed in Richard Eden’s Project Thaw conspiracy, is now worried that it is indeed in motion, following the King’s mention of tackling anti semitism in Parliament yesterday (presumably under the instruction of the Home Secretary), Harry’s article in the left wing mouthpiece, the New Statesman, appearing straight afterwards, and now the king visiting victims of the Golders Green attack today. He’s also tying in Harry’s comments about Ukraine prior to the king’s US visit, which were generally echoed in his speech to congress.

Sykes thinks it is “unbelievable coincidence”; and ponders whether the government is using Harry to put forward points of view that they can’t put across direct to Trump. He doesn’t look at the issue that, if this is true, Harry is possibly acting as a foreign agent for the UK, and therefore guilty of a federal crime unless he’s registered as one.

Hopefully, it is just a coincidence, and Harry is just bandwagoning topics that are high on the political agenda. However, as I pointed out above and as Sykes asks, why is Harry suddenly concerned about what is happening on UK soil wrt anti semitism?

Sykes’ intel is that the Kings cancer treatment has been so successful that he is expected to live out his natural life. If that’s the case, and he is in cahoots with Harry, Sykes thinks there’s every possibility that Harry will be back as a working royal under his father for the next 10 or more years, because his life in California is not making him happy. God help William and Catherine if this is in any way true!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5eDoPV-RQtw&ra=m

A lot of their most recent PR seems to be aimed at ramping up their feud with the RF and criticizing the three most popular individual members for various different slights. Narc rage on steroids - rage from the original injury, whatever that was, compounded by the "insult" of five years' of grey rocking.

Thank you wine. However I can’t see the comments. Not sure why!

Oh @Indianrollerbird 🙉La la la . I can't hear you. I won't hear you . 😊Nothing sounds more chilling than Project Thaw. I do hope H is not on his way back to the WRF. Surely M doesn't want this? Surely W doesn't want this?
🙉🙈

I don’t think Harry’s Ukraine AI fest was in any way helpful to the state visit, was it? It was just embarrassing. Charles must have had to apologise for it, which immediately puts him on the back foot and is not a great start to a diplomatic mission. And why did he pointedly avoid mention of them in his speech to congress? Obviously Harry knew the state visit was coming up and maybe heard about the Golders Green event too (if they are still in receipt of each other’s diaries) and just did his best to steal the limelight for himself. I can believe he thinks he’s more than a match for the monarch in terms of power, influence and general importance. Unfortunately he just looks a bit of a twat while Charles is busy waving to large crowds and getting positive press for his diplomacy. And Catherine of course is going down a storm in Italy while Meghan scrapes butter off the arse of her jeans.

I have always thought this tbh. They have nothing else to do. They are working their way back. Meg too. They have tried everything else. Maybe RF feel it's "safer" to have them on the inside?

MM I think would have him back in the UK as part time WRF in a heartbeat. But she wouldn’t come herself. I can see her angling for him to be given a portfolio of high profile assignments each year - just enough for her to bask in the RF glow in Cali. But this is basically what she was offered - QE2 said she could keep working - and what they demanded HIHO - neither are options now to.

I wouldn’t be surprised if she bartered the kids in the deal and allowed PH to take the kids on RF jaunts and attend RF events. She’s an ambitious mother and if she is unable to provide a life of luxury and privilege for them - I wouldn’t be surprised to see her edging them into the RF. Maybe she believes they are prettier and more ‘amazing’ than the Wale’s and expect she wants them to have an opportunity to (out) shine and perform. They have denied their DCs a lot by their actions to date. Then pennies might drop.

I can’t see comments on the Times article either. Maybe they have pulled them?

“Harry, who also detailed his concerns about rising anti-Muslim sentiment, said he was speaking out because staying silent would allow “hatred and extremism to flourish unchecked””

Harry seems to be under the delusion that his comments - or lack of - directly influence public behaviour and attitudes! 😂😂😅

Just stay silent Harry. Honestly. It won’t make one jot of difference.

I’m sure they would love to come back - well Harry would and maybe Meghan is starting to see their inevitable decline otherwise. I don’t see what’s in it for the RF - they would look weak, they’d be adding two incredibly unpopular people to the brand, it just looks like taking care of their own à la Andrew, which is a very bad look (and there may well be dodgy stuff to come about eg Tyler Perry), H+M are so unsuited to working royal life as they’ve demonstrated again and again, so much time and energy would have to be spent bending over backwards to satisfy their enormous egos (and trying to protect the poor souls having to work with them), all the drama would overshadow the others and their projects. Why?

I just don’t believe for one moment Harry will ever be a working Royal again. He’s entirely lost all credibility with the public and his family.

Regarding The King’s USA visit it occurs to me there would have been an amusing dilemma had invitations been issued to one of the big events.
1 Pointedly and publicly decline, to be seen to return the insult to Trump.
2 Accept to be seen back in the fold, very Royal Royals, the most Royal of Royals ever.

RF were blind when it came to AMW and KC welcomed Fergie back to the fold, another horrendous woman.

Also. Meg wants money and status. Doesn't care where that comes from. Even if it is the RF. She's not like but she doesn't care less.

Look how Camilla was rehabilitated. Slowly, doing the quiet, hard yards over decades. It can be done and PH could focus on military projects - I think he would be accepted back - eventually - without his wife IF KC3 and PW & PC actively wanted this to happen (which they don’t), and they were publicly embracing. BUT PH couldn’t work to an intentionally slow and low profile pace - so it won’t happen. But it could if PH had any modesty, humility about him.

@BasiliskStare , chilling is the word!

What’s in it for the royal family? Nothing as far as I can see. What’s in it for Charles personally? Not having his last years “made a misery” by reconciling with the son he was most close to prior to Meghan. He’ll make his eldest son’s next few years miserable instead, and ensure he’s left a big mess to deal with when he ascends to the throne. He’d be doing Republic's job for them, that’s for sure. Charles is a selfish man in his personal life, always has been. If he wants this, the government will be happy to oblige I am sure.

There’s another document reveal due in Harry’s visa case soon. I wonder if the Heritage Foundation will finally get to the bottom of his visa status and ex Roy on what basis he has lived and worked in the US all these years. I hope they look at whether he’s been acting as an unregistered foreign agent too.

Harry’s such a twat. Charles had already spoken, after the Golders Green attack in late April. (There was also the ambulance attack in March.) Where was Harry then? Recovering from his trip to Jordan in late February, presumably, where he criticised Israel and got his facts wrong about aid corridors without going anywhere near Gaza or Egypt. He never did take up the invitation to visit Israel, and see for himself, did he?

Buckingham Palace announced on 29th April that the King was ‘deeply concerned’ about the Golders Green attack, and kept fully informed immediately following the attack.

The timing fits with Harry being flattered into putting his name to an article immediately after the King’s announcement of the 29th April.

I agree and only a couple of weeks ago he was making the point yet again that he disliked being a working Royal and criticising his fathers parenting . He is at pains to.push the living his best life in the US narrative so I just cant give this any credibility at all.

Agree @WhatTheActualFeckityFeck. KC3 has been consistent in his support of Jews in Britain, including visits to the synagogue in Manchester after previous attacks.

In my opinion there was reference to anti-Semitism in the King's speech in Parliament because Keir Starmer is in such trouble that for once he couldn't ignore the issue that Labour has with it.

Re 'Project Thaw': I don't know. I've long believed there is at least a faction of the current government who support H&M on the basis of them being 'disruptors', most likely those with republican sympathies; there are also those who supported them as 'bright young things against the establishment' as they sold themselves.
I don't think the RF want them back as working members.
I have thought for some time that the RF and (some of) government aren't on the same page.

I feel the same.

I don’t suppose H cares, what Meghan wants, Meghan gets. But I do think changing it is an odd thing to do. The engagement ring is symbolic. If you change your betrothal ring on a whim you may as well change your betrothed. The two go together.

I preferred the original. And thought it pretty embarrassing / humiliating for Harry when she changed it so quickly 😬
Makes it seem like his feelings are well down the list of priorities.