AMW continuing his effort to end the monarchy part 4

[simpsonthecat]

New thread. This is not ending

May I suggest that republic organise a protest outside a Cancer charity being visited by a royal too! , that will really get people onside!

Look, I know you don't agree with them, but as long as they don't impede the public's enjoyment of any royal events, they are perfectly entitled to make their feelings known. It is our right as a democratic society.

In my past, I have protested against what I felt was unjust and wrong. Maybe the suffragettes should have just stayed out the way of those horses and not protested for women to have a vote.

They have the right to protest, others have the right to point out the optics!
and obviously they are impeding the public’s enjoyment if they are there on mass shouting and waving banners! 🤷‍♀️

I totally disagree with you. What optics?? They are given a spot where they are allowed to stand by the police. They do not get in anyone's way. They are always very strictly monitored by the police.

Just because you don't like their views that doesn't mean that they cannot express them. Where would we be without peaceful protest??
I cannot believe you think waving banners and protesting is so awful. I am sure if it was something you felt strongly about you would not object to people protesting. Or you might even protest yourself!! It's just that you don't like the idea of 'Republic'.

I might have worked out 'the optics'!

Shock horror, a Royal might see them, pass the smelling salts!! 🤣

What is the point then? , they are in the minority, nothing they do will abolish the monarchy 🤷‍♀️

That is rather contradictory! You said they were there en masse and ruining the public's enjoyment. Either they are or they aren't!

What is the point of anything then, what is the point of writing to an MP, what is the point of going to one of the Gaza protests, what was the point of the suffragettes.
Inaction achieves nothing.
Movements grow from something very small. I could name many.

I think the protests are valuable in showcasing and keeping fresh the very real questions around the monarchy's lack of accountability and transparency.

I agree they can't get the monarchy abolished directly (if only!) but the institution's doing a very good job for them in showing itself up.

I applaud them for not only keeping the flaws and worse in the spotlight but leveraging them.

https://natcen.ac.uk/news/public-support-monarchy-falls-historic-low-while-calls-abolition-start-rise

I think the fact that 77% of Reform UK voters are monarchists is a very good reason to turn Republican 😀😀

No disrespect Cathy , although I have respect for certain republicans and understand their views, I don’t however hold any for “ republic” , without wishing to offend , they are a humourless, joy sucking organisation that puts a lot of possibly sympathetic people off ! 🤷‍♀️

Just gets worse

Palace handed Andrew's controversial envoy emails six years ago www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy02j5pl98no

Interesting article with facts and figures.
In general, support for the Monarchy just squeaks past the halfway mark but is at its lowest level since records began

Thanks for that link, that is a very detailed article from the BBC and what becomes obvious is that there is a massive scrabbling around by the palace to try and cover up what AMW was up to.

His relationship with the Rowlands was obviously hugely beneficial to them and AMW had no qualms about passing on confidential government information to David Rowlands repeatedly

The fact that information on this was given to the Lord Chamberlain of the Royal Household in 2020 and ignored, is no surprise. That's what the Royal Household does. Ignore, deflect, hope it goes away

I
had to read it twice my flabber was so gasted. I actually do not know how the royals can survive this. My Mama may get her desired wish after all and see the back of them. I see an unholy mess that will take years to unravel and a constitutional nightmare. But if more comes out that they knew, well I don’t know the Windsors can survive.

I had to read it twice also because it was very detailed. I knew that the Rowlands connection was bad years ago and I knew it was to do with banking and Iceland but I didn't know the detail. Not that I really do now!

It's all shocking it really is. I have no idea where the royals will go from here, I honestly don't. William better not hunker down and be more elusive, even less transparent and not working hard, otherwise there will be huge problems

I recommend you follow the link where they explain the type of protests they carry out and why they are choosing this particular event

A search of court documents has revealed that a large cache of emails relating to Mountbatten-Windsor's finances had already been sent to Palace officials, years before the current inquiries began

Bit of a shame for them really ... I wonder how they're going to get the usual "We didn't know" out of this one

Maybe the "We can't comment about an ongoing case" is a stopgap, used in the hope people will have forgotten this latest news by the time any enquiry's over?

I'm not liking the revisionism in that story.

The emails were given to the Palace during the reign of the late Queen Elizabeth II. There has been a tougher approach to Mountbatten-Windsor under the reign of King Charles, including taking away his titles. After Mountbatten-Windsor's arrest, a statement from the King said: "The law must take its course."

The emails were apparently sent to the palace in 2020. The Queen had removed AMW from public duties in November 2019, and had stripped him of all military associations and patronages, and HRH title, in January 2022.

KC3 thought he could bring him back into the family fold by having him with the family at Sandringham again, which didn't work well for him.

Meanwhile, as usual, there is no comment on what the government could or should have done about its trade envoy's misbehaviour in office.

It goes without saying the the respective government at the time was at fault, I don't know how many times I, personally, have to say it, because I do. Just because it's not mentioned in every post within the Royal Family board, doesn't mean to say it is not noticed that the government was, and still is, at fault also. However, if it is being used as a reason to excuse the Royal family, that does not work.
Poor Andrew, no one in the government stopped him handing over government secrets so not his fault!
They can both be wrong.

Thanks for posting this.

It's shocking stuff but what is equally shocking is the way details are only coming out through third party actions and information releases.

If the Windsors are to survive this (and I'm not sure they can) they are going to have to undertake root and branch reform in relation to transparency and accountability. No more suppression of uncomfortable stories.

Well yes. Not just the RF. There is no way AMW and Peter Mandelson operated in a vacuum.

If the Windsors are to survive this (and I'm not sure they can) they are going to have to undertake root and branch reform in relation to transparency and accountability. No more suppression of uncomfortable stories

Not going to happen, @CathyorClaire - not when you consider that even the bits which trickle into public view are appalling and then consider what's likely to be beyond our reach

If it comes to a pinch we might just get some sort of dressed up "confession", issued via flunkeys to create an impression of openness, but I really can't see it going further than that

Trouble is they now have no high profile weddings and births to sell for years and even the next coronation's likely to cause grumbling about "paying millions again so soon", so I guess it's back to Catherine's frocks and occasional cute pictures of the kids

Not just the RF. There is no way AMW and Peter Mandelson operated in a vacuum

Edited to add this is very true, @Recklessismymiddlename, but the RF are a useful cover for the rest and no doubt appreciated for that

Unfortunately I think they will survive it, because for some people they literally can do no wrong.
I don't get it.
I have just read a substack that is totally unbelievable. It's regarding the properties they use, own, rent out, keep private, hold in their names. The number and unbelievable vastness of their property portfolio takes us all for mugs.
Because it's not to do with AMW, I won't link it on here. I am however toying with starting a thread, just not sure if I have the stomach for any push back on it today!

@Puzzledandpissedoff that is exactly what I think.
It's the helplessness of us the people who feel like we do that gets me.

They are too powerful. They have successive governments in their pockets. The media play up to them.

I think @Puzzledandpissedoff has it
the RF are a cover for the rest. Useful idiots if you like. Look over there, not over here.