AMW continuing his effort to end the monarchy part 4

[simpsonthecat]

New thread. This is not ending

They are too powerful. They have successive governments in their pockets. The media play up to them

We know, @simpsonthecat, but what confuses me is when people introduce this as if it's some sort of news

Those involved know EXACTLY how the status quo's been made to work, enjoy it and fully intend for it to continue - all of which does indeed make it difficult for the "little people" to effect change

I'm encouraged though by the huge fall in recorded support for the monarchy - even though IMO it was inevitable after the Queen's death - and still believe that it won't be Andrew or any of the other scandals which does for them in the end, but sheer "can't be bothered"

That article states that there is no knowledge as to what happened to the emails. They could have been passed on to the Queen, the Police or could have been buried in a time capsule.

Im
not so sure @Puzzledandpissedoff it will take years to untangle the HoS from the constitution which affects other countries also not just the uk. The judiciary, the government and so much more… & I’m not a royalist.

You're not wrong, Recklessismymiddlename, though I'm not convinced it would be quite as difficult as those who enjoy the status quo like to paint it, but even a few initial steps could be useful - the disestablishment of the CofE for a start

Trouble is, the monarchy will resist any change, not necessarily due to the changes being bad in themselves but because of the risk of the domino effect on them all

I think even if the Monarchy stays because it's apparently ' too complicated ' to remove be there is no reason whatsoever why they cannot be reformed, their cost reduced ( When William is King presumably it will consist of him and his family. No reason why 5 people in the same family need so many homes and £140 million a year when they have a private income of millions .They need to be scrutinised properly by he government and nonsense like this with people ignoring concerns and nothing happening. Leave the random cousins be with no titles and no roles and make it crystal clear this is the case. None of this 'Secret weapon' rubbish. And yes, disestablishment of the C of E.

They were passed to the most senior member of the Royal Household, the Lord Chamberlain. And nothing happened.
Unless you know different?

I so agree with this, it is all I can hope for because they aren't going anywhere

That's not what the article says if you read it.

Yes.

No comment.

As always

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/royal-family/article/andrew-mountbatten-windsor-royal-ascot-waitress-7g8n2rp53

‘Woman at centre of fresh Andrew allegation was Royal Ascot waitress
‘The Sunday Times revealed last week that detectives are examining the alleged incident as part of a broader investigation into Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor’

I don’t have a share token but it may be possible to archive it ^^

Weird.
Won't archive . And it always does

Share token hopefully works
Woman at centre of fresh Andrew allegation was Royal Ascot waitress

https://www.thetimes.com/article/ea23ba61-3d90-43df-8fa3-39e637724a30?shareToken=5daf79f802c63a371a1f1c305d1f9d55

What a surprise. Not.

So in 2020 Charles was the de facto monarch and William was the power behind the throne. We will of course never know what that pair did with the information in those emails.

Yes but not what you said.

Sorry how was Charles the “de facto monarch “ and William was the power behind the throne?
this doesn’t make sense! Charles is now king , previously he wasn’t, I don’t recall people saying “ queen Elizabeth was the de facto monarch “ and Charles was the power behind the throne!
monarchy works one way ! The queen or king in this case is the absolute ruler of the throne, we don’t have heirs calling the shots!

@jeffgoldblum
Do you seriously think that 2 years before her death Liz was actually running the show??

Or is this just a way of getting C and W off the hook in terms of what they actually knew about AMW and his criminal activities?

Yes other wise she was not fit to be queen at that time ! And Charles is not anywhere as old or infirm! Why are you implying that William is taking over the throne?

The Buck stops with the ruling monarch that is how it is and has always been! , why are people suddenly thinking that treason and overthrowing the throne is now a common occurrence? , we are not living through an actual rendition of game of thrones you know!

The point is that, as the BBC states,

“It has emerged that an archive of 30,000 emails, containing information about the former prince's controversial financial dealings, was given to the Lord Chamberlain, the most senior officer in the Royal Household, in 2020.”

The Palace responded by saying that as there is a police enquiry ongoing about AMW they - conveniently for them - can’t comment.

But the article goes on to say that,

“But a search of court documents has revealed that a large cache of emails relating to Mountbatten-Windsor's finances had already been sent to Palace officials, years before the current inquiries began.”

“The emails had been the subject of a legal dispute and documents from a High Court judgment in April 2021 show that a "copy of the archive" had been provided for the "Lord Chamberlain in May 2020".

“In June 2022, a subsequent High Court ruling refers to an email, dated 10 July 2020, saying the emails had been "delivered to Buckingham Palace".

Sorry but it is simply not possible to argue with any credibility that the head of the royal household, the Lord Chamberlain, kept that volume of documents concerning such serious, potentially criminal matters, away from the monarch and heir (s) and their closest advisors. To suggest such a thing is like saying that a CEO is not aware of what is happening in their own company. They obviously all knew! It’s simply ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

If anyone is in any doubt, The Lord Chamberlain holds the most senior role in the Royal Household.

The last Lord Chamberlain who served and was appointed by the late Queen Elizabeth in April 2021, was Andrew Parker or Baron Parker of Minsmere, who had previously had a 37-year career in the British secret service and served as director general of MI5 for seven years until 2020 and was a cross bench member of the H of L.

The Lord Chamberlain before that in 2020 was William Peel, 3rd Earl Peel. He started out working for the Duchy of Cornwall abd then held many roles heading up governing bodies related to nature conservation. He served as the senior officer of the Royal Household from 2006 until his retirement, which was announced in early 2020 and took effect in early 2021.

To be clear about the handover, Andrew Parker, Baron Parker of Minsmere, was appointed in Feb 2021 to succeed Peel as Lord Chamberlain.

According to Wikipedia, “Peel was due to retire at the end of 2020 but extended his notice period as his successor was searched for amid the COVID-19 pandemic. He retired on 31 March. On 13 April 2021, Peel returned his Wand and Insignia of Office as Lord Chamberlain and the Badge of Chancellor of the Royal Victorian Order on leaving office.”

Jeffgoldblum it was well known that Charles was increasingly standing in for the late QE2 in her final years. Definitely from 2018 when he was named the queen's designated successor as head of the Commonwealth.

The late QE2 died on 8 September 2022 at the age of 96.

Of course a transition of power was already very much in operation in 2020. How many 94 year olds do you know who are working full time?

The tranche of 30,000 emails that was sent to the Palace - what form were they in, has anyone read this? Are we talking a digital, searchable version, or 30,000 printed out emails?

I’m just wondering what the Palace’s excuse is going to be for not caring knowing what was in them. Although even a huge printout could have been scanned and searched if the will existed.

And they must have arrived with some explanation of their relevance.