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The royal family

PR Disasters part 11

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HoldMyWine · 06/05/2026 22:16

The ongoing dramas from Montecito courtesy of H&M.

I can’t see another thread but I made the same mistake last time …

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Effervescentfrothy · 10/05/2026 07:50

Lunde · 10/05/2026 00:01

Threatening any sort "bashing heads together" in the same sentence as the Prince of Wales doesn't sound like a good strategy for career longevity - especially after 18 months in post.

He’s been very foolish. There will be a letter on his desk first thing tomorrow and we won’t be hearing from him again.

PrinceHarrysBaldPatch · 10/05/2026 08:42

Effervescentfrothy · 10/05/2026 07:50

He’s been very foolish. There will be a letter on his desk first thing tomorrow and we won’t be hearing from him again.

You are speaking as if the DM only ever publish the truth😂
This has Sussex PR all over it. The Palace has no intention of working on a reconciliation, Harry needs to just fade away now.
Sussex PR just found out about Theo Rycroft and decided to use him for a new story.

ShamedBySiri · 10/05/2026 08:49

For someone with an impressive CV forcing a rapprochement between H & W doesn’t sound like an impressive goal. This isn’t a family spat. H (& M) has insulted his entire family, ruined the final months of his Grandparents and proved himself thoroughly untrustworthy and unlikeable.
If he think H has a place back in the WRF perhaps he should start with teaching H a few lessons in basic good behaviour expected to include not slapping lifeguards on the bottom.
Harry needs to be kept well away from the WRF, he has no place there and will only bring more trouble wherever he goes.
As for talking about knocking their heads together - one can only hope the “source” is telling porkies. It’s not very diplomatic language is it. I can’t see him becoming a trusted advisor to the future King that way.

Incidentally, Charles (& Camilla) had an absolutely packed schedule in the USA. They really didn’t have even half an hour to spare on a meeting with Harry especially considering that would bring added stress when Charles had quite enough to worry about already. I’m in awe of their stamina. They arrived in Washington in time for tea which was basically bed time given Washington is five hours behind. Went on to a state dinner and speech making. And carried on non stop for the next four days looking like they were loving every minute.
DD1 flew home from a week long conference in USA on Friday morning and caught an early plane to Glasgow yesterday to join us on holiday in the wilds of Scotland. She was a wonderful baby who slept through the night from six weeks but the downside is she has always needed lots of sleep. She was grumpy as hell yesterday 🙄 Hopefully an early night and long lie in will bring a sunnier mood today. Anyway, it’s lucky she doesn’t have to do any royal tours. She might not make major faux pas but someone would get an undeserved tongue lashing! 😂

Thedom · 10/05/2026 08:50

It is clear that Harry knew nothing about the RF PR, because if he did he would not be where he is now in terms of brand and personal image. His British Royal Prince title was his brand, he destroyed it in multiple swoops, he shaped his own narrative by giving negative interviews, he lost credibility and his reputation. His multiple different PR team’s over the years have been unable to crises manage his negative public perception

When you hear Harry’s name now, it’s not associated with RF prestige or authenticity or philanthropy, his public image is so weak I don’t know if the best PR or crises management company in the world could recover it, which is probably why he is trying to get back to the mother ship.

Celebrity PR in the US is exactly as @wordler describes.

Mylovelygreendress · 10/05/2026 09:01

PrinceHarrysBaldPatch · 10/05/2026 08:42

You are speaking as if the DM only ever publish the truth😂
This has Sussex PR all over it. The Palace has no intention of working on a reconciliation, Harry needs to just fade away now.
Sussex PR just found out about Theo Rycroft and decided to use him for a new story.

Absolutely agree. There’s no way a senior member of staff would be so indiscreet.

Recklessismymiddlename · 10/05/2026 09:02

@ShamedBySiri he also branded, with the help of Oprah, the whole country as racist, his father, a future HoS and sister in law as racists. He then backtracked on the Oprah claims.

He is a man who cannot be trusted in any diplomatic role. I hope he and his dreadful wife, stay in the cold, where they belong. And I’m not even a royalist.

Effervescentfrothy · 10/05/2026 09:03

wordler · 09/05/2026 17:14

I find the psychology aspect fascinating too. I think part of the problem is not just that Meghan is American, but that she was celebrity American - coming straight from a world where you can hustle and perform your way to the star role, and where your PR/publicist fights for you like a mama bear with the press.

American publicists have stables of stars on their books and they have a lot of power when gatekeeping access to their celebrities. So you want the chance to get a sit down with George Clooney next week, then you’ll do me this favor of a puff piece with <new TV cable star> this week.

Or you get hold of an unflattering video of Keira Knightly - lose it and she’ll do an exclusive fashion shoot for you.

I think Meghan and her American publicists could not understand why the palace didn’t try to similarly strong arm the press in a similar way.

I’m sure that all Harry’s whining about being thrown under the bus in defense of William comes from Meghan and the PR team assuring him that’s what happened.

Exactly

ShamedBySiri · 10/05/2026 09:06

Recklessismymiddlename · 10/05/2026 09:02

@ShamedBySiri he also branded, with the help of Oprah, the whole country as racist, his father, a future HoS and sister in law as racists. He then backtracked on the Oprah claims.

He is a man who cannot be trusted in any diplomatic role. I hope he and his dreadful wife, stay in the cold, where they belong. And I’m not even a royalist.

Yes indeed Reckless I just couldn’t be bothered to list his many sins! All excellent reasons to keep him at arms length or better still find him the secure accommodation he desires somewhere in the Tower of London. (Which incidentally would be a better place to house AMW).

Thedom · 10/05/2026 09:18

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/05/2026 22:32

https://www.dailymail.com/news/royals/article-15804419/King-aide-mission-heal-William-Harry-rift.html

If I was William I would be absolutely livid if this is true, I hate it when the injured party is cast as the villain, why the fuck should William have anything to do with Harry again after the dreadful things he, Meghan and their squad have done to his family, I hope Wiliam puts him firmly in his place.

One source said: 'He thinks it's time to knock their heads together. The mood is, "He's not wrong".

One insider said: 'Theo believes that Harry and William need to be forced to shake hands and allow Charles to repair his relationship with Harry

This would be a PR fiasco for the RF, Harry has nothing but contempt for the British people he called ‘racists’, he has said he doesn’t like the UK all that much, prefers living in the US, never been happier. Insults his father and brother.

Only Andrew, Fergie and Meghan are less popular than he is, the King’s personal is on the wrong track if he puts Harry’s wants ahead of the British Monarch image.

Mylovelygreendress · 10/05/2026 09:23

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IAmATorturedPoet · 10/05/2026 10:05

I find it hard to believe that a) a trusted aide to the King would involve himself in a trying to manage a reconciliation between the brothers and b) a trusted aide would speak publicly to a newspaper about it.

This looks like it has the markings of a Sussex manipulation/triangulation piece.
If that is the case then this article has provided a very good example of why Theo Rycroft (or anyone else in the RF circle) won’t be advocating for any reconciliation.

It’s been a number of years now since there was any contact between KC/PW & PH. The RF have moved on, they are getting on with their working lives and their own personal lives and PH needs to do the same (and within his own financial means).

JSMill · 10/05/2026 10:12

I feel like the Sussex PR has been relentless recently. To me, it is clear that H isn’t happy in California. Happy, contented people don’t keep looking back to their previous life.

BigAnne · 10/05/2026 10:25

JSMill · 10/05/2026 10:12

I feel like the Sussex PR has been relentless recently. To me, it is clear that H isn’t happy in California. Happy, contented people don’t keep looking back to their previous life.

I wonder if RAVEC have made a decision not to his liking. As far as I'm aware they don't announce it publicly.

BelzPark · 10/05/2026 10:26

I think that they are absolutely desperate for some royal affiliation for their IG visit in July - time is now ticking on and any arrangements would be buttoned down by now. I think IG is in deep trouble and PH is tasked with getting RF involvement in July as a last ditch attempt to save it.

Dizzierblonde · 10/05/2026 10:31

I'd love to know who poor Theo has crossed for them to throw him under the bus so publicly. Even if he denies it, he's now not going to be trusted by KC (and certainly not W&K).

PullTheBricksDown · 10/05/2026 11:05

Dizzierblonde · 10/05/2026 10:31

I'd love to know who poor Theo has crossed for them to throw him under the bus so publicly. Even if he denies it, he's now not going to be trusted by KC (and certainly not W&K).

Yes, that feels like a pop at him, designed to undermine trust between him and the future king.

What's known about the visit in July? I hadn't heard about it. What's it meant to achieve? Other than another opportunity for 'I'd love to bring my kids here but sooo dangerous' again.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/05/2026 11:07

JSMill · 10/05/2026 10:12

I feel like the Sussex PR has been relentless recently. To me, it is clear that H isn’t happy in California. Happy, contented people don’t keep looking back to their previous life.

Precisely, JSMill

I take little notice of third hand tales from the Mail, but agree this has Sussex PR all over it and it's simply not the way settled and happy people behave

Lunde · 10/05/2026 11:56

JSMill · 10/05/2026 10:12

I feel like the Sussex PR has been relentless recently. To me, it is clear that H isn’t happy in California. Happy, contented people don’t keep looking back to their previous life.

Harry and Meghan are obviously furious about about being denied a PR opportunity after inviting themselves to Sandringham, and are
....desperate that IG might be cancelled in the midst of its funding crisis and now a hostile local council,
....incandescent that "lonely kids on the beach" did not gain the same media traction as the Louis/Charlotte photos,
....and "allegedly" Harry is livid that his attempt to jump on the "David Attenborough" bandwagon was thwarted ... apparently he expected his message to be played at the Royal Albert Hall and and was incensed that his magnanimous gesture was turned down because the programme was already nailed down with Charles doing a video message and William making a speech.

So yesterday we had a whole slew of anti Wales briefed articles
Amanda Platell - wrote a hit piece on Catherine
Page Six - hit piece about William claiming he is angry - a lot of it seems to be about Harry and boiled down to "sometimes William raises his voice when frustrated with Charles or Harry"
Charlotte Griffiths AKA "Movie Snuggles" write yet another new version of the "olive branch" article and throwing Theo Rycroft under the bus.

The message over the Sandringham invite was clear - that if Harry wants to meet/speak to his father then it must be done privately and away from the public domain. Charles clearly refused to make time for Harry in the US - no public invites and no private meetings. So the idea of an olive 🌿 must be coming from Harry and Meghan's PR.

Not2identifying · 10/05/2026 12:08

I missed Platell's hit piece on Catherine. I don't suppose you'd mind putting an archive link here, would you? Thank you!

I appreciated @wordler's post on how US celebrity PR works because it's always been a struggle to understand how H & M could get their strategy so obviously wrong, from a British perspective. I wonder how it'd work the other way around, if a British person tried using a British approach in the US.

Lunde · 10/05/2026 12:16

Not2identifying · 10/05/2026 12:08

I missed Platell's hit piece on Catherine. I don't suppose you'd mind putting an archive link here, would you? Thank you!

I appreciated @wordler's post on how US celebrity PR works because it's always been a struggle to understand how H & M could get their strategy so obviously wrong, from a British perspective. I wonder how it'd work the other way around, if a British person tried using a British approach in the US.

Here it is - criticizing Catherine's work with the early learning initiative
https://archive.is/a7Br7

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/05/2026 12:20

I agree with most of that, @Lunde, and especially that the onslaught of critical articles have almost certainly been fed by H&M, but what earthly good has it done them?

Tthere's not a hope in hell of Harry keeping any meeting private and the whole RF will know it, so IMO the only real hope for reconciliation lies in a complete change of behaviour and I'm not sure either are capable

Unless of course Harry also starts flinging around "suicidal ideation", in which case I expect there'll be plenty of gullible people who'll get on boaard

Mylovelygreendress · 10/05/2026 12:27

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/05/2026 12:20

I agree with most of that, @Lunde, and especially that the onslaught of critical articles have almost certainly been fed by H&M, but what earthly good has it done them?

Tthere's not a hope in hell of Harry keeping any meeting private and the whole RF will know it, so IMO the only real hope for reconciliation lies in a complete change of behaviour and I'm not sure either are capable

Unless of course Harry also starts flinging around "suicidal ideation", in which case I expect there'll be plenty of gullible people who'll get on boaard

I think Meghan would quite happily never reconcile so long as she has her title and is seen as Royal adjacent .

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/05/2026 12:34

Mylovelygreendress · 10/05/2026 12:27

I think Meghan would quite happily never reconcile so long as she has her title and is seen as Royal adjacent .

I agree, Mylovelygreendress, and as long as she has a use for him that will also mean ensuring Harry doesn't behave in a way likely to bring it about

With a normal man I absolutely wouldn't suggest the wife was responsible for any of this and I'm still not comfortable with it, but Harry's shown again and again that he's far from normal and is very susceptible to her wishes

Lunde · 10/05/2026 12:36

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/05/2026 12:20

I agree with most of that, @Lunde, and especially that the onslaught of critical articles have almost certainly been fed by H&M, but what earthly good has it done them?

Tthere's not a hope in hell of Harry keeping any meeting private and the whole RF will know it, so IMO the only real hope for reconciliation lies in a complete change of behaviour and I'm not sure either are capable

Unless of course Harry also starts flinging around "suicidal ideation", in which case I expect there'll be plenty of gullible people who'll get on boaard

I found it a bit odd that Platell's own newspaper prints several articles a year about Catherine doing engagements related to her Early Year Initiative .... does she never read her own paper?

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