PR Disasters Part X

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For all Meg and Harry PR shenanigans

I don't think Harry has the brainpower to have envisaged anything other than what he'd known - I'm sure that's at the heart of why Meghan didn't understand the position of the RF. I can feel quite sorry for her (in brief flashes) because I think he has completely abdicated all responsibility for making their life work, and so it's all on her.

Ouch now that one must be a burn

She was the one who wanted to leave though! He left because she was talking g about feeling suicidal and clearly hated her life in the UK. She could have taken responsibility for her decision to join him in that life. She didn’t want to hear anyone advise or caution her . It was on her to try a lot harder. Instead of which she never really planned to stay from day one. She wrecked his life really. For all their talk of freedom,
he looks really miserable and angry to me.

H has absolutely no life skills. He paid his mobile bill for the first time when he moved to America. For the rest of us, we succeed, we fail etc but have the life skills to support us. He's completely rudderless and I feel for his children because he will inevitably end up using them as an emotional crutch

I think that point C really hits the nail on the head - Diana was innovative in what she did to publicize certain causes where as Harry and Meghan merely copy and cosplay for the photo op where they are compared to Diana. It is PR rather than truly shining a light on the charitable cause.

When Diana walked through a minefield it was a major shock that she would take the risk to highlight the landmine issue - however Harry has done this multiple times (4?) and it seems to me mostly for the "walking in Diana's footsteps" headlines.... Surely there is a new post war danger/risk that Harry could make his own cause.

Same with Diana's visits to AIDS patients. When Diana shook hands with an AIDS patient it was revolutionary. Much of the public believed at the time that AIDS could be transmitted by touching people and she did much to dispel the myth. Whereas Harry and Meghan's hospital visits seem stage-managed for the PR photo - like the kids with cancer having to remove their masks for the photos and don't get me started on Meghan immediately merching the outfit she wore to meet kids with eating disorders 😡

They need to find their own causes that go beyond the photo opp. Harry talks a lot about mental health - but does he ever visit people in secure units? Even privately?

and yet Meghan took a 4 car motorcade to travel a few hundred metres from a restaurant to the theatre on a private night out.

https://pagesix.com/2025/04/11/royal-family/meghan-markle-hires-over-the-top-motorcade-for-broadway-night/

I disagree as they didn’t do any ‘royaling’ for the first few years after they flounced.

It was all 100% commercial media projects which involved rejecting and smearing the BRF and escalating their victimhood narrative.

When they had exhausted that narrative thru OW, Spare, NFs etc which were all high uptake - they assumed that their next projects, non BRF associated (Spotify, NF docs, As Ever, WLM etc) would ride the crest of that wave because they were exceptional individuals and innately sufficiently talented to produce, present and found, media and retail empires from scratch with zero experience. Grandiose and delusional.

Now that these opportunities have been withdrawn from them or collapsed due to their ineptitude they have to get back to ‘royaling’ to try to gain profile etc to flog UPFs and tat online as this is their only income stream.

Their recent ‘breaking the rules’ narrative and refusing to acknowledge KC3 speech whiffs of very deep bitterness with a further tantrum like flounce ie a narcissistic rage after being told repeatedly ‘No’ and ‘to work within the guidelines’.

They must be so desperate for money now and have reacted to this consistent boundary by kicking it in.

The tantruming toddlers are now tantruming and defiant teenagers. Fascinated to watch their public and personal meltdown in this next chapter of their grotesque pantomime.

It really is ludicrous. Such self importance.

I do think that Harry and Meghan see US Presidential-style security as a status symbol. Yet most of the RF security is pretty low key. Most of the RF don't have permanent security.

Compare 2 events from last year,
Meghan has a 4 vehicle motorcade to travel a few hundred metres from a restaurant to a theatre on a private night out.

William is walking through the streets of South London with an organizer of a community project when a woman comes running up a grassy bank shouting "I see a prince". You see the 2 RPOs quietly drop into positions closer to him but she gets her selfie and hug. Security is quiet and understated.

I also think that KC3 US trip is a defining moment for H&M and Megxit - basically the 6 year ‘never explain, never complain’ and ‘recollections may vary’ long, silent, dignified, detached campaign of indifference to them has finally paid off. H&M have been personally excluded from a momentous US experience, they are notable by their absence. They have been humiliated and outplayed on their home turf.

With whiny characters like this it pays to ignore, put them in the rear view mirror, crack on with focusing on developing your own productive life and resist the goading to lock horns. It’s a hard, long game - but think it’s RF 1 - H&M 0. Think they are facing further relegation but typical of any narc he will have to blow up, go scorched earth and rip up the seats in the stadium on his way out.

A lot is forgiven when you are on the ground doing good.

This is obvioulsy their strategy now. But what they fail to realise is that for this strategy to work you need to show up, actually do good and keep your mouth shut, stop whinging and sustain this for years, and then yes, people do begin to forgive and forget eventually. This is what Camilla did.

Instead they decide this is their strategy, announce it , but don't demonstrably do anything particuarly 'good' whilst they still moan and whinge about how hard done by they are.

Thier inability to see how they are pereceived is astounding.

The fact they are touting their new stratgey and image via People magazine is just so sad and pathetic. I don't think even the Daily Mail reported it?

I do wonedr whether it's only us on these threads who even follows what thier doing anymore! 😂

don't get me started on Meghan immediately merching the outfit she wore to meet kids with eating disorders

A side issue I know, but I think the hospital was wrong to agree to young people with such a complex mental health condition meeting Meghan. Apart from the complexities of the celebrity lifestyle, which would not be helpful for them, she is not someone who is known for healthy personal relationships.

I though KC did great in the USA. He showed the utility of a monarchy in the same way that QE did. Strengthening links to support the government through soft diplomacy. Very powerful and useful and he did it well. He spoke well and also managed the relationship with Trump well.

I thought is was very pointed when he was talking about the RF links with the USA that he didn't say he even has American grandchildren! If H was still on good terms with Charles, this little cross Atlantic familial link would have been a nice point to make. He could have made some joke about the grandkids accents, or words they use he doesn't understand or something.

But instead, no mention at all. That must be very painful for Harry.

It's very sad H&M say they didn't watch the speech with their kids. Your granddad visiting the head of state in the county you live in should be a nice proud moment, and a learning moment to understand what granddad being King means, and wtf being a prince or a princess means!

But instead they're going to deny their kids the understanding of their heritage and the pride they could take in that.
But they're ging to use Prince and Princess titles to sell stuff on Instagram?
They are so screwed up.

IIRC he said something along the lines of - she would have been great fun, probably turn up in the middle of bathtime and create chaos and mess .... and then she'd leave for someone else to sort it out. It made me wonder if this was an insight into the way she was as a mother.

It's a bit of insight into what W&K are as family too. I've known posh families who farm almost everything out to nannies, and they are generally a bit clueless on the routine/emotional front - they wouldn't know that you can't just show up, excite a child just before bedtime and then expect a smooth, calm bedtime after.

It's not exclusive to upper classes - my mum varies between complaining that our son is more well-behaved and easy at bedtime than her kids ever were, and, I shit you not, trying to get him to play with a drum kit in his bedroom at bedtime. But the type of posh who have nannies are more often like that IME.

Makes you wonder how much H&M are stuck into the normal routine of their kids.

Surely there is a new post war danger/risk that Harry could make his own cause.

He could try breach the Hormuz Channel blockade, in a dingy !

No glamour in this and unfortunately it's hard work

I would never have thought about the Royal family watching each other's speeches and things like that. I'd have thought they did enough themselves to find each other fairly boring.

Announcing they did watch it, means to me that watching it is important to them. If they never watched, then it wouldn't occur to them that people might think they did.

I think William and Catherine are keen to mirror Catherine's upbringing rather than William's. William and Harry were both left for long periods with nannies and both were packed off to full time boarding school at 7-8. I think both Charles and Diana also turned into Disney parents - with Diana it was literally Disneyland and jetset holidays in the Med while with Charles it was traditional wealth with horses, polo and skiing.

I read once that William was uncomfortable with live-in staff which was one of the reasons that they chose 4 bed Adelaide house initially with daily staff and no live-in staff. He said something about being uncomfortable to be used as content as a child for staff who later wrote tell-all books like Paul Burrell and Wendy Berry the Highgrove housekeeper who wrote about Charles and Diana's marriage problems (her book was banned in Britain).

Charles and Diana seemed to repeat what they themselves experienced. After the vicious divorce and custody battle between her parents - Diana's father obtained full custody and almost immediately sent them both to boarding school. The Queen left Charles and later Anne in the UK to live in Malta for 2 years, then she became Queen when Charles was 3 and had little time.

🤣🤣🤣 Maybe he can enlist Sean Penn to do the rowing!

I think William has clearly learned a lot from being around the close and highly functional family unit of the Middletons, and yes, it's clear they are trying to use Catherine's upbringing as their model. Harry's decline into self-aggrandising paranoia has just as clearly been influenced by the fact that neither he nor Meghan has a functional model of family or friendship to draw on - it's really sad that he did have a group of good, close friends but now apparently doesn't.

I wouldn't imagine they routinely watch each other on Tv. I doubt the Wales children would watch KC in the USA, it's just grandad doing his usual job. to them.

But if grandad is visiting from his country to the country you live and meeting your president and visiting The White House which is part of your country's symbolism, and it's in Washington which is the capital, and that's congress which is where laws are made etc etc then you'd think you would watch. So much learning available!! : These are the countries mummy and daddy are from, grandad is King of this country, your country has a president, that's different from a King, this is our president but it changes every 4 years after elections, because your granddad is a King that's why you are a prince, some princes like Uncle William and Edward do a job for their country like granddad does, daddy used to do that but now he lives in the USA and does fuck all.

It should be the perfect opportunity for the kids to get their heads around their situation and heritage. But no, instead it's the perfect opportunity for their mum and dad to pose as bitter and wronged.

I recall around KC3's coronation that there were documentaries covering his early years including that he (and Anne) lived in Malta with their mum and dad.

It was when the then Princess Elizabeth was asked to tour the Commonwealth as Dad's health was too poor to undertake the tour, that she dropped the kids off with Grandpa and Grandma i.e. King George VI and Queen Elizabeth. (MN experts please correct me if my recollections are varying from reality.)

But I do agree with you that the duties of State did prevent KC3's mum from spending as much time with him in his childhood compared to KC3's "peer" group...i.e. your average aristocratic mum in the 50s.

Let’s not pretend that the grandparents were doing any parenting though. That would have been left to the staff.

Tiggy Legg Bourke brought W and H up whilst they were with their father. He wasn’t very hands on either.

William was around the Middletons from a young age (20ish), still in his formative years. If he had met Kate at a later age maybe they wouldnt have had as much of an influence on him but as he was young, he was lucky to benefit from Kate's normal family unit.

The boys seem very fond of him though.