PR Disasters ….part 7

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Meg and Harry PR shenanigans

Things go very far on these threads but this is truly beyond the pale.

Hove you lot lost all compass?

No, you’ve misremembered. That was The Cut article and he chats away quite happily, he just wants to put the window down himself when he gets to a hedge that he likes. There’s nothing in that article that suggests he’s not a completely standard preschooler.

There’s plenty to dislike Meghan and Harry for, but it would be far better to leave their children out of it.

There’s plenty to dislike Meghan and Harry for, but it would be far better to leave their children out of it.

Advice they would do well to take. We don’t need to see those children, or hear about them. By releasing pictures and footage H&M invite speculation, and given how much preaching they do about kids not being online and their own experiences, they know exactly how this will go - it won’t all be positive and there will be all sorts of speculation. It’s their own bloody fault.

I simply don't believe the narrative that poor simple Harry was the innocent victim of the nasty scheming American. Harry has revealed who he really is, as opposed to the PR Harry of the men in grey suits, in numerous interviews and in his book.

I really dislike amateur diagnosing of the children of celebrities. Whilst I acknowledge that they are blatantly using their children for publicity let's not get dragged down to their level.

I'm sure you're right I just skimmed the article but something about the way the journalist described the school part made me think of my ds2 who had a set of rituals after coming out of school.

I don't think about her children at all but the endless teaser pics do provoke speculation.🙃

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Iirc there was a lot of gossip about Louise after she was born, and Sophie and Edward 'hiding her away' 😲 . It layer transpired Louise had Estropia probably as a result of her premature birth, and her parent's wish for her and her brother to have a normal upbringing out of the limelight.

Mine had rituals for every daily event but has no special needs at all and is not ND. Kids just like routine.

Whatever is going on, it’s glaringly obvious that the children spend their time with just a few select adults and not other kids.

When they went to Disney, did they go with friends and their kids? No, they went with Marcus Anderson. Same with the pumpkin patch, no friends and their kids….just Marcus again.

You’d think the kids of celebrity friends would come round and they could play….even pics of the back of the their heads. But no.
There’s never even chat about the kids playing with Serena’s kids or Emma Gredes kids….all similar ages.

Countless videos and pics….not a single one showing Archie and Lili interacting/chatting etc. That’s not normal.

Look at how amazing their play park is! Yet theres no indication that the kids have regular play time with other kids.

Was that the same article where the writer described Meghan ( or rather her security chap)giving a bag of “ goodies” to a homeless man ?

Extremely well put, MrsLF; there's enough to criticise Meghan for, but I do get tired of women being blamed for every last thing when Harry has his own agency and is free to use it

That said, I do recognise he's in something of a bind with the kids firmly established in America and a wife who I very much doubt would let them travel with him alone. I don't really like to speculate about divorce, but if it happened he'd certainly have a problem and he probably knows it

Yes, that was totally cringeworthy.

The whole interview is awkward. This part especially: (at one point in our conversation, instead of answering a question, she will suggest how I might transcribe the noises she’s making: “She’s making these guttural sounds, and I can’t quite articulate what it is she’s feeling in that moment because she has no word for it; she’s just moaning”)

I don't think the journalist liked her or Harry at all.

She was Jewish when she married Trevor.

I was thinking about the tiara drama, and have come to the conclusion that there was very poor communication all round, and it wasn't entirely the Sussex's fault.
Imagine if you were marrying into a family where there was a choice of one or two tiaras that might be made available for you. MiL to be arranges for you to meet up and view the tiaras, perhaps at the bank where they are stored. After making your choice, wouldn't there then be questions about how and when the tiara would be removed from the bank, concerns about security and insurance?

The palace clearly has a well oiled system for release of valuable pieces, not just tiaras, but brooches, necklaces, earrings from wherever they are stored, presumably in some Aladdins cave vault in the depths of Buckingham Palace. The Royal jeweller presumably delivers them to the various destinations prior to some big event. Since it's mostly women who are wearing these items I suppose it's vaguely forgivable that the whole thing would be a mystery to Harry.

Why on earth was the process not explained to them after Meghan had made her choice? I would expect The Queen to head off to tea or whatever leaving them with Angela and the Court Jeweller person. Who should then have explained the process, including that tiaras aren't normally made available for hair practices but that an off the shelf tiara should be used for this purpose.
This could have been followed up with an email clearly outlining the process.

Of course there was no need for Harry to kick off and try to bully Angela. A very stupid thing to do anyway, of all the many staff I would think Angela would be the one to keep onside. I'd have been sucking up to her like crazy. A thank you note for her time helping choose the tiara wouldn't have gone amiss. Harry wouldn't think of that but a soon to be married in could be expected to.

I suspect quite a few difficult events could have been headed off by better communication beforehand. I have very little sympathy for either of them but I've come round to thinking this one was 50/50 - they should have been told how it would work in advance.

Maybe it was explained, and they didn't listen (or believe it applied to them). I have met plenty of people who.only hear the part they want to hear.

Plus, of course, she could have accepted the offers of help from people who know the system, rather than saying she didn't need them because she had Harry.

Or maybe no-one explained. But other 'married ins' seem to have been able to navigate the system without the conflict.

H&M have a track record of not listening to advice and their recollections of events vary from what happened at the aforementioned events.

Given that this was not the first borrowed tiara (Catherine, Eugenie) and there was a process in place, I highly doubt "tiaragate" was due to a lack of communication from Angela's side.

IMHO, H did not care about the process, he just wanted the tiara when he wanted it and was willing to throw a strop if he did not get the tiara "NOW!" so he could play the hero Prince who delivered the tiara to his love.

There seems to be a pattern with Harry of him belittling and bullying women. It's a repeated pattern.

I'm pretty sure the process for accessing priceless family heirlooms was clearly explained but for some reason Meghan's hairdresser couldn't work with stand in like Catherine's managed. It's not as if Meghan's wedding hair do was particularly complex so I don't know why a cheap plastic one wasnt good enough.

Harry definitely has a saviour complex as far as Meghan is concerned

The Revenge book echoes this strongly - Harry is besotted with his own self importance and this is used by others eg his ghost writer and the publisher. They knew there was a mismatch between what Harry wanted to achieve but they ended up with an explosive book courtesy of the ghost writer who had a theme with previous books and his own life.

The Revenge book talks in particular about the amount of hours Meghan would have in make up before any performance eg in the documentary. 2 /3 hours was the norm.

Even the way he spoke about the Queen - all the stuff about visiting her to make sure she had the right people around her - was condescending.

He must have been unbearable to deal with, puffed up with his own self-importance and always imagining himself heroically fixing imagined wrongs.

Why on earth was the process not explained to them after Meghan had made her choice?

Given that several articles and books have since detailed the effort that the palace went to in assisting Meghan (including the Queen's own aide seconded to her) it seems unlikely that there was no explanation.

Might it be possible that the pattern seen outside the palace of not listening to advice was also happening inside?

I agree with this.

I would put a bet on Harry having completely ignored that there was a process, because he believed it didn’t apply to him or his fiancé.

His arrested development from when his mum died (he was 12 or 13, I think) means he has absolutely no awareness of anyone other than himself in terms of importance.

The Royal Family did him a complete disservice in the way they treated him following Diana’s death. The kid gloves and cover-ups of his poor behaviour have done him no favours in supporting him to develop into a well-rounded adult.

Harry and Meghan are a nightmare combination due to them both being perpetual victims and narcissists, and no doubt winding each other up about all slights, imagined or otherwise, either experiences.

I don’t understand why she had to fly in a hairdresser. It just adds to the complications of an already complicated wedding. In her shoes, I would have asked other members of the RF who did their hair for state occasions. Asking others for help is a good way of building relationships. Even if she didn’t want to do that, having a London based hairdresser would have allowed for multiple trials if necessary. Her hair was terrible in her wedding. It was messy at the front and straggly around the nape of her neck.