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Prince William's Christian Journey

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BoxingHare · 25/03/2026 10:38

Here we go, another article about that 'quiet faith' that has been completely silent until now!

As one of the btl comments suggests, is there some rebranding going on???

Surely not!

Prince William’s Christian journey https://share.google/6ANWHkV5p0o0qj1TV

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mathanxiety · 28/03/2026 02:14

Tbh (and I have no horse in this race at all, being Irish and living in the US) if W were to show up to his local.CoE every Sunday with family in tow, he'd attract a lot of flak on grounds that he was clearly not acknowledging the numerical strength of other religions in the UK, being partial, and (horrors) being too much of a God botherer.

The entire schema of upper class thought and feeling on religion was established in the 1700s - religious zeal was a looney fringe trait of the common people and the Catholics, and detachment from theology with a sharp focus instead on politics, money making, and fox hunting (with a great deal of rakish behaviour thrown in) was the only acceptable approach to religion.

mathanxiety · 28/03/2026 02:15

HoppityBun · 28/03/2026 02:13

The things you list were some of the consequences of, not the grounds for, the split from Rome. At the time, it was part of a wider theological debate. Cranmer and many other theologians, both in the UK and Europe, were discussing the issues long before Henry wanted a divorce. Had Catherine of Aragon’s paternal relatives not been so closely aligned with the Pope, Henry 8 might well have got his divorce.

As it was, Henry 8 was pushed along by Cranmer to create a Protestant nation.

The parallels are still there, and the loot from the monasteries came in very handy.

StartupRepair · 28/03/2026 03:38

I don't see anything wrong with quiet faith. I know lots of people to whom this would apply. He has faith, gets some sustenance from church rituals and attendance but doesn't see the need to share more than that. He is not set to be the spiritual leader of the church - he doesn't need more than this.

corblimeyguvnr · 28/03/2026 11:37

simpsonthecat · 28/03/2026 01:34

The current heir, as far as we know, is leading a moral existence but is criticized for not attending church and not making a public spectacle of his religious beliefs.

'As far as we know' being the operative sentence there
We know nothing

Yet here is a whole thread saying William is defective in this respect 🤷‍♀️

corblimeyguvnr · 28/03/2026 11:40

CathyorClaire · 27/03/2026 21:41

This is a pertinent part of the Coronation Oath C3 swore:

Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England?

I don't believe we've seen much upholding of the required doctrine, worship and discipline from our next monarch so far but maybe a shiny hat or yet another rewrite might be enough incentive to make up any deficiency.

Edited

My interpretation of that is different from yours. To me it reads about maintaining a situation where this religion can exist . That's very different from the extent of someone's personal faith.

Rhaidimiddim · 28/03/2026 13:01

CathyorClaire · 27/03/2026 21:41

This is a pertinent part of the Coronation Oath C3 swore:

Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England?

I don't believe we've seen much upholding of the required doctrine, worship and discipline from our next monarch so far but maybe a shiny hat or yet another rewrite might be enough incentive to make up any deficiency.

Edited

An article in the Spectator makes the point that the writer doesn't think that the new Archbishop of Canterbury (AoC) could actually really believe what she was swearing to:

"....the Archbishop also had to declare her assent to the historic formularies of the CofE. .....But I should be very surprised if she really did believe all the undiluted Protestantism in the 39 articles. "

The writer goes on to explain why she thinks what she thinks.

Regardless of the quality of her argument or skill in making it, the author illustrates how much theological leeway the AoC has - and she runs the bloody organisation!

The swearing and the oaths and all the rest is rather performative these days - no-one gets beheaded because the believe/don't believe bread turns into Jesus's body, and what the C of E believes changes with society although the litany seldom catches up

I'm giving W a pass - and if he decides to forego the daft rituals KC3 submitted to, I'd cheer him on.

simpsonthecat · 28/03/2026 13:21

But will William have the special oil and the vest behind the curtain thingy. That's what I want to know 😀

damelza · 28/03/2026 13:37

simpsonthecat · 28/03/2026 13:21

But will William have the special oil and the vest behind the curtain thingy. That's what I want to know 😀

Not if he does as many are saying he will, and trim the whole shebang down to nothing. So a private Coronation in Windsor chapel and a family knees up after. No one will know or care whether he put his vest on or rubbed oil on his baldy forehead.

That's the kind of thing that would appeal to me. Keep it low key forever more.

simpsonthecat · 28/03/2026 13:52

damelza · 28/03/2026 13:37

Not if he does as many are saying he will, and trim the whole shebang down to nothing. So a private Coronation in Windsor chapel and a family knees up after. No one will know or care whether he put his vest on or rubbed oil on his baldy forehead.

That's the kind of thing that would appeal to me. Keep it low key forever more.

That made me laugh out loud 😅

I would like to think he'll go all low key, but personally I doubt it. Theyve got the crowns to wear so why not special oil and vest!

LemonCurdHotCrossBun · 28/03/2026 16:22

He wants his coronation in the Nags Head Peckham apparently

CathyorClaire · 28/03/2026 20:11

simpsonthecat · 28/03/2026 13:21

But will William have the special oil and the vest behind the curtain thingy. That's what I want to know 😀

Apparently the secret oily thing happened behind a specially commissioned annointing screen, not a curtain but I don't think W will be up for a Papa style circus.

One less than fun fact I've just discovered is that C3 was wearing £3.5k bespoke pumps crafted from veal leather which is taken from young cows aged between 3 and 6 months 😡

They were fed on special Alpine grass and no doubt cosseted for all of their very short lives but still. Nauseating he feels able to support this exploitation while especially when carping about nature and conservation Envy

https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/kettering-shoes-fit-for-a-king-as-charles-iiis-bespoke-coronation-pumps-handcrafted-by-gaziano-girling-for-historic-royal-day-4128510

CurlewKate · 28/03/2026 20:28

I was so disappointed when the last pope abandoned the red Gucci shoes….

BasiliskStare · 29/03/2026 02:30

corblimeyguvnr · 27/03/2026 13:46

I've read actually recently that more and more young men are actually starting to attend Church. They call it the Quiet Revival fuelled by several social factors.

This is purely anecdotal . My nephew and a lot of his friends attend church regularly (CoE) They have a very wide circle of friends there and it is far from fuddy duddy. Many have been confirmed as adults. Now I wouldn't disagree that CoE attendance is going down , but there are some younger people who do choose to go, and some churches do have an active young congregation . So I agree with you .

At least we know when W goes to church with the children it's not because he can't afford school fees and is just racking up the attendance to get into the church school. 😉😊

corblimeyguvnr · 29/03/2026 12:42

CurlewKate · 29/03/2026 11:04

That was already posted if you had read the whole thread.

corblimeyguvnr · 29/03/2026 12:44

BasiliskStare · 29/03/2026 02:30

This is purely anecdotal . My nephew and a lot of his friends attend church regularly (CoE) They have a very wide circle of friends there and it is far from fuddy duddy. Many have been confirmed as adults. Now I wouldn't disagree that CoE attendance is going down , but there are some younger people who do choose to go, and some churches do have an active young congregation . So I agree with you .

At least we know when W goes to church with the children it's not because he can't afford school fees and is just racking up the attendance to get into the church school. 😉😊

I'm talking also from a personal point of the actions of young men I know .

TheAutumnCrow · 29/03/2026 13:01

CathyorClaire · 28/03/2026 20:11

Apparently the secret oily thing happened behind a specially commissioned annointing screen, not a curtain but I don't think W will be up for a Papa style circus.

One less than fun fact I've just discovered is that C3 was wearing £3.5k bespoke pumps crafted from veal leather which is taken from young cows aged between 3 and 6 months 😡

They were fed on special Alpine grass and no doubt cosseted for all of their very short lives but still. Nauseating he feels able to support this exploitation while especially when carping about nature and conservation Envy

https://www.northantstelegraph.co.uk/news/people/kettering-shoes-fit-for-a-king-as-charles-iiis-bespoke-coronation-pumps-handcrafted-by-gaziano-girling-for-historic-royal-day-4128510

This article is hilarious. Penny Mordaunt's been claiming at a book festival that a member of the royal family told her she stole the show and outshone the monarch during the Coronation.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/03/28/penny-mordaunt-royal-family-member-joked-stole-show-king/

Archive linky:

https://archive.ph/OLYqz

In actual fact, a lot of the jokes at the time circulating in those upper echelons were that she looked like a 1970 air hostess or a brand ambassador for Poundland at a trade fair.

(She had a pouch/sling for the sword, lest anyone's worrying about her arms. And she got 'Damed' for her efforts.)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/03/28/penny-mordaunt-royal-family-member-joked-stole-show-king

Lalgarh · 29/03/2026 13:30

Will he, when the unthinkable event happens* still use the name William as ruler?

I've already seen bonkers Ulster fan art anticipating the new "king Billy" ages ago, and this might be influencing his "quiet" aspect as he doesn't want to be too Protestant

  • New book has claimed Prince Philip had starved off Pancreatic cancer for 8 years, and they've got access to the best specialist medics, so don't write Charles off yet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15688029/Prince-Philip-pancreatic-cancer-eight-years-death-book.html

Prince Philip lived with cancer for eight years, new book reveals

In Queen Elizabeth II, serialised in the Mail on Sunday, biographer Hugo Vickers discloses that the then Duke of Edinburgh was diagnosed with inoperable cancer in 2013.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15688029/Prince-Philip-pancreatic-cancer-eight-years-death-book.html

TheAutumnCrow · 29/03/2026 14:29

Interesting, @Lalgarh . His full monicker is William Arthur Philip Louis, so he may go for King Arthur but that’s associated with legends of Tintagel and England (Albion), so bit too focused on one of the four nations?

King Philip. King Louis. Both sound quite continental, very Entente Cordiale.

Or he could at random grab another name and opt for King Henry to piss off you-know-who.

wordler · 29/03/2026 14:59

I have a feeling that we’ve seen the end of the regnal name being a different one.

I think Charles might have liked to pick a different one based on the history connected to the previous King Charleses but he’d been Charles too long in the public eye to make it work.

CurlewKate · 29/03/2026 15:21

corblimeyguvnr · 29/03/2026 12:42

That was already posted if you had read the whole thread.

Obviously I wasn’t the only one who missed it-but I am happy to do whatever penance you deem fit.

corblimeyguvnr · 29/03/2026 16:49

Lalgarh · 29/03/2026 13:30

Will he, when the unthinkable event happens* still use the name William as ruler?

I've already seen bonkers Ulster fan art anticipating the new "king Billy" ages ago, and this might be influencing his "quiet" aspect as he doesn't want to be too Protestant

  • New book has claimed Prince Philip had starved off Pancreatic cancer for 8 years, and they've got access to the best specialist medics, so don't write Charles off yet

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15688029/Prince-Philip-pancreatic-cancer-eight-years-death-book.html

That's very unusual for pancreatic cancer.

corblimeyguvnr · 29/03/2026 16:50

CurlewKate · 29/03/2026 15:21

Obviously I wasn’t the only one who missed it-but I am happy to do whatever penance you deem fit.

Oh I have quiet faith - I don't believe in penance in religion. 😉

Lalgarh · 29/03/2026 17:27

corblimeyguvnr · 29/03/2026 16:49

That's very unusual for pancreatic cancer.

Extremely so. It has one of the lowest survival rates at the 5 year mark. I guess they caught it early enough to keep it in check

CurlewKate · 29/03/2026 17:43

He wouldn’t, surely, have the arrogance to take Arthur for a regal name?