Beatrice and Eugenie banned from Ascot

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Beatrice and Eugenie have been banned from the royal box at Ascot and from royal events in the foreseeable future. That's according to a headline in the Daily Mail. A little part of me feels a bit sorry for them as they're not their parents. I don't like them much but they do seem to symbolise all that's wrong with the royals. Money and immense wealth and priviledge for very little return.

I see more attempts to separate the yorks from William Charles and the rest of them

They are ALL as bad each other . The Yorks brought it on themselves but the Windsors will hope the Yorks will be picked clean by the press to distract from the rest of them .
No more of this game playing

William Charles - and the rest- are ripping us off to the tune of half a billion a year . Their hands aren’t clean .

A lot is rightly being said about unexplained money from the Middle East - William is included here . ‘Gifts ‘ of a enormous polluting super yacht holiday should be declared if that was in fact what happened last summer . Lots of conflicting information. That’s a benefit in kind .
I hope the charity commision investigation into William’s co founder of Earthshot is released soon .

Ok, it’s a shame you don’t understand but I’m not sure how I can explain it more simply, sorry. Never mind and not to worry 👍

I agree. And I wonder if the Monarchy will be dragged kicking and screaming to avoid any transparency into their affairs.

Many of them seem to be in hock to Middle Eastern oligarchs and royalty over there.
To me, it just comes across as pure greed.

Whats the point of slimming it down the whole thing needs overhauling to root out the grifting.

As I understand it working royals have their expenses covered for engagements they do this is governed by the SG board.

Other than any inheritance that have been passed down how else does RF members make money...unless they have a job.

They only other way they get money is if William (was previously Charles) gives them an allowance from money from the Duchy. It is up to William if he wants to give them an allowance and how much they get.

Imagine this in the context of your own family you have no job other than doing some engagments for which your expenses are paid for. How are you then paying for the house, bills, holidays? Using up the inheritance money maybe? Dependent on your brother, uncle, nephew for an allowance?

Who would be okay with that? Being reliant on someone to hand out money...how much pressure would there be to basically cosy up to that person to keep in their good books. The control and power that person has to say well i dont like what your doing and well if you listen to me then I can take away your allowance...

Who here would accept that life?

I ca see why the likes of fergie etc have then gone on to try and earn more money to pay for a personal lifestyle of luxury they wanted but didnt have money for...not excusing what they did but you can see how it leads to people wanting to find ways to have more money. H&M siad they wanted to be independent and earn their own money...is this hinting that the setup of being reliant on handouts and allowances comes with a price of being subservient and tolerating behaviours that you wouldn't otherwise.

This would be a typical aibu financial abuse thread.

It would be better if rf members have to have jobs. Everyone except the king and the future King as they no doubt not have the time to. All spares etc should go earn a living and then they choose to volunteer to be working royals for which expenses are covered.

By removing the allowance handed out and opening up the go get a job would most likley avoid alot of fhe problems that have now come to pass

@simpsonthecat Lots of people on this thread do too. If you don’t want to hear their thoughts, based on their own experience and knowledge, it’s not the place for you.

@GoldBthehypoI totally agree. However, the press needs to leave them alone.

@GoldBthehypo you are right - it’s just not a sustainable arrangement and I am sure that’s the way things are heading in the RF.

What the next generation do is another question though.
If you do estate management properly and responsibly, it’s a more than a full time job. I could see William running the Duchy of Cornwall estate full time and doing a pretty good job of it. But if you haven’t got land to manage, then as a RF member the traditional option has been the military. It will be interesting to see if the Wales children do that, and if not, what instead.
In the private sector things start getting complicated trying to separate who you are from your job. It’s not impossible, but as a member of the RF it would be hard to avoid accusations of cashing in if you did anything commercial, or favouritism if you went into a profession. And who covers your role for you while you are off volunteering to cut ribbons, hand out OBEs and help entertain visiting heads of State? I can see why it would be difficult to be half in and half out. It’s easier if you have a remarkable talent like Zara Philips or Viscount Linley. which would earn you respect and success whether you were RF or not, and also allows you to be your own boss. That’s where Harry and Meghan are struggling now - they haven’t got that, and it’s actually painful to watch.

What does this mean? Have you tagged me in error?

@GoldBthehypo

“H&M siad they wanted to be independent and earn their own money...is this hinting that the setup of being reliant on handouts and allowances comes with a price of being subservient and tolerating behaviours that you wouldn't otherwise”.

H and M said they would give up their share of the Sovereign Grant however that only made up 5% ( I think) of their income the rest coming from Pa .
Harry himself said he was shocked when he was financially “ cut off” and had to start paying for their own security .
So yes they wanted to monetise their Royal status but still receive support from the RF .

I imagine the late Queen, Charles and William knew about all the unaired at the time financial issues in the family which are now being uncovered - Andrew in general, the York sisters and apparently the Kent’s not paying enough rent and not being working royals - and were aghast at the thought of creating another issue so close to the throne when H&M suggesting being half in, half out.

It would not surprise me at all to learn that Charles, William and Kate are working out a strategic roadmap of what to do over the next twenty years to excise the current boils in the family and create a way of Charlotte and Louis being treated as they grow up so the issue of spares is better dealt with. It probably involves creating a huge trust fund for each generation of spares so they are financially taken care of with no need to grift but held to certain standards of behaviour in order to keep the trust money flowing. By the time the trusts run out George’s grandson / daughter will be king/queen and their second cousins (Charlotte and Louis’ grandkids) will be so far removed from the direct line, anything untoward they do will have little impact on the monarchy.

See even what you suggest...create a trust fund that they get if they live up to certain behaviours..... if thayvwas a thread here there would be plenty calling fhat financial abuse/ controlling.

Also if they were really looking to tackle fhis then persoanlly I feel they woukdnt be having Charlottle and Louis already rocking up at engagements like they do, they are being prepped to be working royals. There is no need to do this at this age really not even George if im honest ao to be its an indication that all they might do is just slim it down.

I highly doubt they could afford market rents

I think with tust funds a go-go they could afford them.

They just don't want or more pertinently are made to pay them.

Quite. But not everyone kid is going to have a talent and if they sre being raised up knowing they are spares or expect to be working royals then its harder to pivot from that at an older age. They grow up believing they will do this until they are old enough to have their eyes opened to reality...being dependent on his brother to hand out money ... yeah no surprises if one day they go fk that!

Look at Charlotte and Louis now, nothing has changed there so to @JSMill point about media leaving them alone bit late for them now the media wont.

And again realistically what job can they do to earn their own money? I think you cottoned to something there about esyaye management. I think its on the institution to devise some form of independence warning mow y jobs thay dont conflict with being a royal where optics are seen as cashing in or where dubious ppl try to take advantage.

Why cant another 'duchy' style business be set up..in a way whafs wrong with meghan doing her netflix show or her as ever brand...by nurturing rhis from a younger age and then supporting a couple to be independent earners is the way forward. By being self employed in that way they can then be half in half out as in tske up engagements where possible because you are right a company would have to make alot of concessions otherwise.

In this day and age I just dont get why its impossible for them to sort this out.

Anne has already proved that an alternative model is possible. She was gifted Gatcombe on marriage by her mother and has run it as a working estate focusing on horse events ever since.

She’s also been able to house both her children’s families there too.

If she hadn’t wanted to be working Royal she could have easily put her time and energy into her estate business or developed a horse based enterprise alongside it.

But then Anne hasn’t been trying to live a billionaire celebrity lifestyle and racking up unpaid debt at Selfridges etc.

So you can try to support your family members but a lot depends on individual personalities.

They didnt say they wanted a billionaire lifestyle, feel free to quote them though as far as I have seen they wanted to earn there own money.

What was H&M gifted to allow them to do that?

If Anne's situation was the right model why wasn't that model then replicated over and over. Didn't need to be an estate, easily something else that suits the people themselves.

I also dont think it should be something that is whot decided for them well this is x and thats all you can do. No conditions attached. If yojr not the next King you should have alot more freedom in making decisions about your future that should be seen as the perk of being a spare.

Well I was mainly talking about the Yorks in terms of living a billionaire lifestyle not the Sussexes.

Andrew and Fergie have lived in a way that has definitely created controversy and illegal actions.

Andrew has a sibling that clearly had an alternative path.

He is as also gifted a home estate - he could have made a choice to create an independent future like Anne.

There are ‘unconfirmed rumors’ that Harry was also offered a country estate to manage as a way of making a living.

Who knows but I think it’s unlikely that if H&M had wanted to settle down in a private estate in the Uk that they wouldn’t have had the option to do so.

Are you aware that H does have a trust fund? It came from his Grandmother and his mum's wills. It was estimated to be worth £40 million when he married but he wanted to keep it for his children. People are guessing that he is spending it now.

interesting that you jump straight away to defend the Sussexes, when it was clear @wordler was comparing siblings…. The words racking up debt at Selfridges was the clue.

I'd hate to have to cosy up to my brother / nephew/ cousin for money. The problem is they have all been brought up with same lifestyle (Andrew was raised at Buckingham Palace, Balmoral, Royal Yacht Britannia, Sandringham, Windsor Castle etc), and yet only one has the billions. I'm quite happy to live an ordinary life in an ordinary job and ordinary house and budget accordingly. I've never been to Ascot or Cheltenham, or gone on a skiing holiday. However if you've been raised in palaces can you adjust to ordinary?!

Anne was just given a huge amount up front in the form of the estate rather than having ongoing subsidy, it's hardly an example of brilliant independence and business skills

@GoldBthehypo

“They didnt say they wanted a billionaire lifestyle, feel free to quote them though as far as I have seen they wanted to earn there own money.
What was H&M gifted to allow them to do that?”

I responded to your comment yesterday about H and M wanting to earn their own money but maybe you didn’t see it .
H and M said they would give up their share of the SG ( about 5% of their income ) so that they could earn money ( ie monetise their Royal status) however they did not say they would give up their £2+ million from Pa ! Harry himself said he was shocked to be “ cut off financially “.

What were they gifted ? A beautiful house ( although they actually wanted Windsor Castle) , staff , security, luxury travel , status, clothes and opportunities to make a difference ( especially Commonwealth roles ).
But it wasn’t enough . They / Meghan couldn’t cope with not being top dogs .

I was so sure this was a thread about Beatrice and Eugenie, but no, I appear to have stumbled across another one about people who have left the country.

😂😂😂

You can thank @GoldBthehypofor that 😂

Big time.