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PR disasters (IYKYK) thread 5

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AtIusvue · 26/02/2026 09:41

For Meghan and Harry, As ever and Archewell posts.

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bluegreygreen · 12/03/2026 14:56

https://archive.ph/9bJs1

Not sure if this has been posted yet. While Meghan is having her fireside chat weekend, Harry will be giving a talk in Melbourne.

Following on from his talk to a group of estate agents in Canada in December, Harry is due to speak at a ‘workplace mental health summit’ in Melbourne.

Crisis support service Lifeline Narrm have announced he will be a speaker at their InterEdge Psychosocial Safety Summit, which takes place on April 15 and 16.

The theme is to bring together international ‘change makers’ for discussions on how to build ‘psychologically safe, mentally healthy and high-performing workplaces’ as well as creating ‘lasting improvements in workplace culture and well-being’.

I'm not sure that the Sussexes are the best people to champion workplace psychological safety, even leaving aside the questionable reviews that BetterUp gets from staff.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 12/03/2026 15:00

I'm not sure that the Sussexes are the best people to champion workplace psychological safety, even leaving aside the questionable reviews that BetterUp gets from staff.

Not bullying your staff would be a start, I’m sure it’s not psychologically good to be sat slumped at your desk in tears as Palace staff were.

LoughNaFoo · 12/03/2026 17:23

BigWillyLittleTodger · 12/03/2026 15:00

I'm not sure that the Sussexes are the best people to champion workplace psychological safety, even leaving aside the questionable reviews that BetterUp gets from staff.

Not bullying your staff would be a start, I’m sure it’s not psychologically good to be sat slumped at your desk in tears as Palace staff were.

100% agee. The hypocrisy when dozens of victims and witnesses have reported belittling and bullying in H&Ms own workplace to multiple independent, credible, legally watertight investigations - to the extent that at least one employee had to seek to professional mental health interventions to address the emotional injury suffered in their workplace.

MrsLeonFarrell · 12/03/2026 18:02

What has Harry changed, internationally, in the field of mental health? Leaving aside the allegations about how they treat their staff, what experience or training does he has to contribute to this?

Not2identifying · 12/03/2026 18:19

It's astonishing he thinks he has anything relevant to say about managing MH in the workplace. He has absolutely no experience of normal workplaces (even if he weren't implicated in the bullying accusations that have come out).

In his very limited experience of 'work', he'll always have been treated as special. There's just no comparison with what ordinary people have to deal with at work, when they have to work to survive.

Beechtrees19 · 12/03/2026 18:25

Not2identifying · 12/03/2026 18:19

It's astonishing he thinks he has anything relevant to say about managing MH in the workplace. He has absolutely no experience of normal workplaces (even if he weren't implicated in the bullying accusations that have come out).

In his very limited experience of 'work', he'll always have been treated as special. There's just no comparison with what ordinary people have to deal with at work, when they have to work to survive.

Absolutely this.

LoughNaFoo · 12/03/2026 18:38

Not2identifying · 12/03/2026 18:19

It's astonishing he thinks he has anything relevant to say about managing MH in the workplace. He has absolutely no experience of normal workplaces (even if he weren't implicated in the bullying accusations that have come out).

In his very limited experience of 'work', he'll always have been treated as special. There's just no comparison with what ordinary people have to deal with at work, when they have to work to survive.

In his one experience of ‘work’ in the army he thought it absolutely fine to video himself racially abusing a colleague to his face (called him a p$ki and a r$ghead) and then send that around to all his mates.

He also saw fit to bully and humiliate a disabled woman just trying to earn a crust working at his school and then write about it with zero awareness in his book Spare.

ShamedBySiri · 12/03/2026 19:23

Who do you think writes his speeches that he is being paid handsomely to deliver? 🤔

Papercompany · 12/03/2026 19:55

Absolute BS that Harry is speaking at that event...he has no credentials other than his name.

AtIusvue · 12/03/2026 20:44

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/she-gone-oprah-just-little-113035319.html

‘The Quote That Did the Damage

Gemma O’Neill did not mean to write the whole story in one sentence. Then she opened her mouth and did exactly that.
“I know what you’re all thinking, because I’m thinking the same thing,” the Her Best Lifehost said on her podcast this week. “How has Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, this incredible woman, gone from Oprah to talking on stage with just little old me, Gemma, in Sydney?” That was supposed to land as self-deprecation. Instead, it landed as the clearest summary of Meghan Markle’s current market position anyone around her has said out loud.
The question hanging over this whole thing is not whether 300 women will buy into a luxury weekend by the beach. They probably will. It's not whether Meghan can still fill a room. She clearly can. The question is whether the room itself tells you everything you need to know.
Strip Away the Spa Music
Here is what is
From April 17 to 19, Meghan will headline the Her Best Life Retreat with Meghan, Duchess of Sussex at the InterContinental Sydney Coogee Beach. The official site promises an “in-person conversation” with Meghan, a gala dinner, yoga, sound healing, a women’s psychology session, pool time, and a disco night. It is capped at 300 attendees. Early-bird tickets are AU$2,699 per person, about $1,930 U.S. VIP tickets are AU$3,199, about $2,288 U.S., and include front-row gala seating, a group table photo with Meghan, and a premium ocean-view room.
O’Neill has framed Meghan’s appearance as happening “as a favour for our mutual friend,” a reference to Jackie O Henderson, who co-founded the podcast and helped connect them. Fine. But the audience is still being charged luxury-retreat money to sit in that favor. The favor is not free. It is just being subsidized by women paying almost two grand to enter the room, and more than that if they want the photo.
And the event copy leans hard on the one thing that makes the room expensive: Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Not Meghan the founder. Not Meghan the podcaster. Not Meghan the actress. The title is doing the heavy lifting because the title is still the product.

The 2018 Echo Nobody Can Ignore

This will be Meghan and Harry’s first trip to Australia since October 2018, when they arrived as working royals for the Invictus Games in Sydney and announced Meghan’s pregnancy with Archie almost immediately after landing. That trip came with ecstatic crowds, wall-to-wall coverage, and the full force of royal machinery behind it.
Now the return looks different. Smaller. More curated. More transactional.
That contrast is why the old Valentine Low anecdote has resurfaced so hard around this booking. In Courtiers, Low wrote that staffers claimed Meghan was heard during the 2018 Australia tour saying, “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this.” Meghan has denied palace-era allegations in sweeping terms, with her camp previously calling such claims part of “a calculated smear campaign.”
You do not have to believe Low’s account to see the symbolism here. Back then, the story was about whether she allegedly resented not being paid while performing royalty. In Sydney next month, nobody has to guess whether the room is commercial. It is.

The Market Correction

The timing is not subtle.
The retreat announcement arrived days after Netflix and Meghan’s lifestyle brand, As Ever, confirmed they were ending Netflix’s role as a partner. The brand will continue, just without Netflix attached to it. Meanwhile, the retreat website is still introducing Meghan as the creator of the “globally celebrated Netflix series With Love, Meghan” and the founder of As Ever. The old glow is still in the brochure, even as part of the business arrangement behind it has already cooled.
That does not mean Meghan is finished. It means the scale has changed.
Oprah was a mass-cultural event. Netflix was a global-distribution prestige. Coogee is a premium women’s retreat with yoga, sound healing, and a paid group photo. While that is not a collapse, it can be agreed that it is a narrowing. And O’Neill, maybe without meaning to, said the narrowing out loud.

The Australia Waiting for Her

The other reason this booking feels loaded is that Australia is not 2018 anymore either.
A Change.org petition is already urging that Harry and Meghan’s April visit be treated strictly as a private trip with no taxpayer-funded support, logistics, or official treatment. That is not the language of anticipation. That is the language of boundaries.
Which is why O’Neill’s quote hit so hard: It was a market correction disguised as fangirling.
How did Meghan go from Oprah to “little old me” in Sydney?
That is a measurement, not an insult.
And the real question now is whether this retreat is a glamorous one-off on the way to something bigger, or the clearest sign yet that Meghan’s post-royal brand has stopped expanding and started tiering down into ever smaller, ever pricier rooms.
Three hundred women may be enough to make the weekend look like a success.
But is three hundred women in Coogee what success looks like now?’

"How Has She Gone From Oprah to Just Little Old Me?" Meghan Markle’s $1,930 Sydney Retreat Comes With a Brutal Question

The Quote That Did the Damage Gemma O’Neill did not mean to write the whole story in one sentence. Then she opened her mouth and ... Read More

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/she-gone-oprah-just-little-113035319.html

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TheAutumnCrow · 12/03/2026 20:54

LoughNaFoo · 12/03/2026 18:38

In his one experience of ‘work’ in the army he thought it absolutely fine to video himself racially abusing a colleague to his face (called him a p$ki and a r$ghead) and then send that around to all his mates.

He also saw fit to bully and humiliate a disabled woman just trying to earn a crust working at his school and then write about it with zero awareness in his book Spare.

Did anyone else see another part of that doc-video (since deleted and disappeared) where H was sat on top of an armoured vehicle with a fag hanging out of his mouth? He either had or was adopting a ?hungover attitude, giving out orders to a part-platoon while trying to be oh-so-cool and insouciant. Absolute cringe.

ShamedBySiri · 12/03/2026 21:28

300 attendees. How many will be journalists/podcasters etc I wonder. I was watching something on YouTube whilst doing my ironing and when it ended YouTube offered up a clip of Jeremy Kyle chatting with some American journalist who said she has booked herself and a friend/colleague a room.

Of course the weekend itself sounds quite appealing, without the addition of Meghan. A premier resort with all it offers, plus the fashionable elements of yoga, meditation , party etc. About £1400 +/- exchange rate etc. There are plenty of hotels charging £300 plus a night or indeed much, much more, without food etc, so for three days with various activities, inclusive drink etc I actually think it's probably not bad value. One can always eat the dinner and then retreat to the bar when the guest speaker starts speaking.

So for any journalist/youtuber etc, if your boss is paying or you can offset it against tax it's not unappealing. Hell, I'd go too.

Someone needs to tally up all the different accounts that will inevitably appear after the event so we can have an idea how many of the attendees were doing it for "work". I'll hazard a guess at about 1/3.

At the end of the day, if it is a sell out, which it probably will be given there are only 300 tickets, they will still be able to count it a huge success and make a profit in addition to paying Meghan and other costs.

LoughNaFoo · 12/03/2026 21:32

AtIusvue · 12/03/2026 20:44

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/she-gone-oprah-just-little-113035319.html

‘The Quote That Did the Damage

Gemma O’Neill did not mean to write the whole story in one sentence. Then she opened her mouth and did exactly that.
“I know what you’re all thinking, because I’m thinking the same thing,” the Her Best Lifehost said on her podcast this week. “How has Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, this incredible woman, gone from Oprah to talking on stage with just little old me, Gemma, in Sydney?” That was supposed to land as self-deprecation. Instead, it landed as the clearest summary of Meghan Markle’s current market position anyone around her has said out loud.
The question hanging over this whole thing is not whether 300 women will buy into a luxury weekend by the beach. They probably will. It's not whether Meghan can still fill a room. She clearly can. The question is whether the room itself tells you everything you need to know.
Strip Away the Spa Music
Here is what is
From April 17 to 19, Meghan will headline the Her Best Life Retreat with Meghan, Duchess of Sussex at the InterContinental Sydney Coogee Beach. The official site promises an “in-person conversation” with Meghan, a gala dinner, yoga, sound healing, a women’s psychology session, pool time, and a disco night. It is capped at 300 attendees. Early-bird tickets are AU$2,699 per person, about $1,930 U.S. VIP tickets are AU$3,199, about $2,288 U.S., and include front-row gala seating, a group table photo with Meghan, and a premium ocean-view room.
O’Neill has framed Meghan’s appearance as happening “as a favour for our mutual friend,” a reference to Jackie O Henderson, who co-founded the podcast and helped connect them. Fine. But the audience is still being charged luxury-retreat money to sit in that favor. The favor is not free. It is just being subsidized by women paying almost two grand to enter the room, and more than that if they want the photo.
And the event copy leans hard on the one thing that makes the room expensive: Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Not Meghan the founder. Not Meghan the podcaster. Not Meghan the actress. The title is doing the heavy lifting because the title is still the product.

The 2018 Echo Nobody Can Ignore

This will be Meghan and Harry’s first trip to Australia since October 2018, when they arrived as working royals for the Invictus Games in Sydney and announced Meghan’s pregnancy with Archie almost immediately after landing. That trip came with ecstatic crowds, wall-to-wall coverage, and the full force of royal machinery behind it.
Now the return looks different. Smaller. More curated. More transactional.
That contrast is why the old Valentine Low anecdote has resurfaced so hard around this booking. In Courtiers, Low wrote that staffers claimed Meghan was heard during the 2018 Australia tour saying, “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this.” Meghan has denied palace-era allegations in sweeping terms, with her camp previously calling such claims part of “a calculated smear campaign.”
You do not have to believe Low’s account to see the symbolism here. Back then, the story was about whether she allegedly resented not being paid while performing royalty. In Sydney next month, nobody has to guess whether the room is commercial. It is.

The Market Correction

The timing is not subtle.
The retreat announcement arrived days after Netflix and Meghan’s lifestyle brand, As Ever, confirmed they were ending Netflix’s role as a partner. The brand will continue, just without Netflix attached to it. Meanwhile, the retreat website is still introducing Meghan as the creator of the “globally celebrated Netflix series With Love, Meghan” and the founder of As Ever. The old glow is still in the brochure, even as part of the business arrangement behind it has already cooled.
That does not mean Meghan is finished. It means the scale has changed.
Oprah was a mass-cultural event. Netflix was a global-distribution prestige. Coogee is a premium women’s retreat with yoga, sound healing, and a paid group photo. While that is not a collapse, it can be agreed that it is a narrowing. And O’Neill, maybe without meaning to, said the narrowing out loud.

The Australia Waiting for Her

The other reason this booking feels loaded is that Australia is not 2018 anymore either.
A Change.org petition is already urging that Harry and Meghan’s April visit be treated strictly as a private trip with no taxpayer-funded support, logistics, or official treatment. That is not the language of anticipation. That is the language of boundaries.
Which is why O’Neill’s quote hit so hard: It was a market correction disguised as fangirling.
How did Meghan go from Oprah to “little old me” in Sydney?
That is a measurement, not an insult.
And the real question now is whether this retreat is a glamorous one-off on the way to something bigger, or the clearest sign yet that Meghan’s post-royal brand has stopped expanding and started tiering down into ever smaller, ever pricier rooms.
Three hundred women may be enough to make the weekend look like a success.
But is three hundred women in Coogee what success looks like now?’

Brilliant. Totally got the measure of it all.
Another moment when I think that journos get their best insights from these threads

ShamedBySiri · 12/03/2026 21:38

For comparison sake here’s a retreat that I recall Mariella Frostrup praising. And here she is partnering for an upcoming one. Five days so a bit longer. £2950

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ShamedBySiri · 12/03/2026 21:40

Meghans's selling herself cheap frankly!

Noodledog · 12/03/2026 22:03

ShamedBySiri · 12/03/2026 21:38

For comparison sake here’s a retreat that I recall Mariella Frostrup praising. And here she is partnering for an upcoming one. Five days so a bit longer. £2950

Five nights and you get your own bedroom, though.

RecoIIectionsMayVary · 12/03/2026 22:33

😲. I spend most of this thread looking like a startled rabbit 😆

corblimeyguvnr · 13/03/2026 00:05

How embarrassing that you have to head to a gig now when it's been said you were cheap to get 😂😂😂 this is only the start of it 😂

ThePoshUns · 13/03/2026 07:26

How humiliating for Harry having those photos published and for Markus to be referred to as the third wheel in his marriage.
I think the press are enjoying poking the bear.

Beechtrees19 · 13/03/2026 07:50

Shades of Andrew and Fergie .Find a rich influential man, then play best friends and keep saying what a wonderful man he is, blah blah. Who knows which pies Marcus has his fingers in? She isn’t a celebrity, she has nothing to offer. So why would people pay to see her? It’s so bizarre. They really are turning into the Yorks.

Papercompany · 13/03/2026 10:01

Unless someone is an expert on a topic then I think it takes an incredibly arrogant person to think that people would pay to listen to them talk....talk about what? She has no area of expertise? It will be her usual load of word salad. I can't imagine anyone who isn't a journalist wanting to attend this? She really is selling her soul...it will give journalists lots to write about.

KnickerlessParsons · 13/03/2026 10:47

@LoughNaFoo

A Change.org petition is already urging that Harry and Meghan’s April visit be treated strictly as a private trip with no taxpayer-funded support, logistics, or official treatment. That is not the language of anticipation. That is the language of boundaries.

Have you got the link so we can all contribute? :)

BasiliskStare · 13/03/2026 12:52

Is that petition for Australian's tax payer money. I stand with them , but don't pay tax in Australia 😊

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