Camilla Meeting Gisèle Pelicot

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I'm quite taken aback by the this. The timing just in the middle of AMW sordid developments is particularly bad.

Ms Pelicot should not be anyone's poster woman for virtue signalling support to female victims of SA.

Camilla saying she read her book in the last two days, couldn't put it down and her 'case' shocked her is pretty sickening considering what's been going on under their noses.

This should never be a PR exercise.

I think I'm officially done with the RF now. Permanently tone-deaf and worlds away from the reality.

news.sky.com/story/queen-meets-gisele-pelicot-and-praises-rape-survivors-extraordinary-dignity-13511258

I agree. I actually think blackmail was part of the facilitating SA.

How?
Why?

Could she not have gone to the police directly at anytime over the last 15 years that this has been known about in the public sphere? Or in the years before when the BRF knew about his movements, associations and behaviours?

Go to the police with what?

No as I have said before - there have not been ANY statements in support of
Epstein victims.

Have you even read the link you posted - because all it does is state:

That AMW is being stripped of his titles.

Goes on to reiterate that AMW still denies all allegations against him.

That KC3 thoughts are always with all victims of abuse.

No mention ever of Epstein victims in this statement or in the one last week about the arrest of AMW.

So the issue for you is that he hasn't specifically mentioned Epstein victims but used a more general 'survivors and victims of any and all forms of abuse'. Fair enough.

I feel an acknowledgement that covers all victims of abuse is perfectly acceptable though, clearly you feel differently.

Any court case will be The King vs AMW, how can the King or Queen say anything specific without prejudicing the case? It’s about their constitutional position in the justice system. You can disagree with this but the reality is that this is the current position.

We operate on an innocent until proven guilty basis any suggestion by KC or QC that think AMW is guilty is prejudicial. They may also be interviewed as part of the investigation.

It’s easy to criticise without thinking through the full implications of due process. Justice moves slowly and takes time.

But presumably if they stayed mute you’d be criticising them for not speaking out and ingerently supporting AMW. They can’t win either way. I think your thread is performative virtue-signalling, frankly.

Wow, that's totally inappropriate to say, there's a function on here to read all of OP's posts within a thread you know, I suggest you use it.

You are deliberately massaging the facts here to cover for BRF either inertia, cover-up or facilitation directly or indirectly.

KC3 has not spoken out on behalf of the Epstein victims.

This sums it all up - Sopel and Maitlis in the wrong here IMHO - Lewis Goodhall calls it - all of the comments are in support of LG and shocked at S and M being unable to back their claims that KC3 has tackled AMW over the last 15 years these revelations and allegations have been in the public domain (and know doubt what they knew beforehand) - the key Q LG asks is why has KC3 not explained why AMW was stripped of his titles / accommodation at Windsor?

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/4OCoakPI7HI

I don’t see how KC can publicly say much more until either a court case concludes, the CPS decide not to prosecute or an agreement is reached I.e. provides evidence against others.

Do you believe in due process or not?

Yes of course I do - 15 years of due process - silencing, inertia and turning a blind eye - needs to be investigated. There will be copious ‘accurate’ records from the palace and security to rummage through.

On what basis has KC3 stripped AMW of his titles, duties and home - before his arrest (without charge)?

The BRF needed to have gotten ahead and shown some moral backbone.

Their only actions now are solely to protect their own reputation when it became apparent that AMW vile behaviours on all fronts is plain to see.

I’m not massaging any facts. Queen Eliz deliberately covered up for AMW for years, and was allowed to by numerous politicians. What exactly am I massaging? Simply that I think whatever Charles & Camilla say at this point they won’t satisfy anyone.

The RF were very quick to put out a statement in 2019 accusing Virginia Guiffre of lying. They could now put out a statement apologising for that. But of course that will never happen. Mind you people are still waiting for AMW to do what he said on 20th Nov 2019.
https://www.royal.uk/statement-his-royal-highness-duke-york

You wrote an awful lot of text - I’m afraid I skimmed. I now see one short comment where you say you also suffered a SA. I will freely apologise for saying I thought yoir thread performative/virtue-signalling. Clearly you feel - and have every right to feel - very strongly about this. However my main comment still stands: I think Camilla would be criticised whatever she did/said. I think she is trying to do the right thing. Charles has let the police in at least, unlike his mother who protected AMW. Beyond that, I do think you shouldn’t post on a public forum if you get very upset by views that don’t match yours.

Charles has let the police in at least, unlike his mother who protected AMW.

He did not 'let the police in'. The King might be all important to some, but it's not up to him who the Police arrest, he might be above the law but his brother isn't.

What a ridiculous opinion.... Camilla has been a strong supporter of domestic abuse charities, advocating for the victims. Meeting Gisele Pelicot, they clearly both admire each other, is a perfect way to raise awareness and further the cause. Why should she not show her support for victims...especially now with all all that's going on with Andrew. Perfect timing.

Beyond that, I do think you shouldn’t post on a public forum if you get very upset by views that don’t match yours.

I don't frankly know where to start with this so I won't elaborate, as you don't have the courtesy or the attention span to review, but I am going to call out this statement as it's completely farcical. You really need to consider how you come across in your posts, I will leave it at that. I am upset at people's unnecesary aggressive and dismissive on a forum, yours included. I am not upset at disagreements over the opinion which everyone is entitled to.

“Perfect timing”

Is exactly my observation - for the BRF reputation during this crisis - not for any of AMW/Epsteins victims. Totally self serving, contrived fig-leaf PR effort to keep the £££££ rolling in from the tax-payer. This issue has been in the public domain 15 years already - the BRF will have know about his behaviours for his whole life before that but did nothing to rein him in or consider the impact of his depravity on the teenage victims of sex trafficking that he raped.

Whats the point of nodding benignly like a donkey at an external charity when all this shit is literally going on under your own roof within your own family and you and your DH pay out millions to silence the repeatedly raped trafficked teenager and you have never once publicly even acknowledged their trauma never mind taken any action against it - but expect the charities and campaigners to do so an be gracious of your cynical and self serving involvement.

I wonder if QC was also tasked with this agenda sent out as the canary in the mine to work up her and KC3 reputations as well as buffer the shit they knew was coming down the pipe that they were trying to hold back on their brother?

I agree with this. I'm no royalist, I've never been a fan of the Royal family but as a PP said Camillas work in supporting victims and survivors of domestic and sexual abuse is admirable. Its exactly the work I think a royal family should be doing rather than cosying up to the Saudi Royal family.

Camilla isn't responsible for what Andrew has alleged to have done. And anyway, surely we want them to be on the side of the people who have survived rape and sexual assault.

So many survivors are made to feel they have to be silent and can't speak about their experiences or are afraid to do so. Gisele Pelicot waived her anonymity and is being brave in doing so, so that the shame is on the abusers. There's still so much work to be done in this area, but by meeting someone as high profile as the Queen is such a big step forward. I'm at a loss as to why anyone should think this isn't a good idea and why the Royal family shouldn't be on the side of rape and sexual assault survivors.